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The far right and Russia

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daphnedill Sun 02-Apr-17 15:43:36

I think this was probably the article whitewave was reading:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/02/arron-banks-interview-brexit-ukip-far-right-trump-putin-russia

daphnedill Sun 02-Apr-17 15:41:40

This has been obvious for ages. The terms "left" and "right" are largely irrelevant in today's politics.

Putin is not left-wing. Communism in Russia died decades ago. Putin is authoritarian and expansionist. This is more like pre WW1 power politics than anything since.

Banks has been boasting about how much he put into Brexit since before the referendum and has been saying that he was going to set up a new movement.

It was his ideas about marketing the Brexit message which won the day.

He knew that the propaganda about élites and immigration (aka cultural supremacy) would resonate with the public. Think back to all the hatred of "Tory toffs", "out of touch Oxbridge élites", "unelected Brussels bureaucrats", etc. Of course, he has a point, but the truth is that he belongs to an alternative élite which wants to take over from the establishment. He needed the working class, angry and disillusioned foot soldiers to deliver the votes, so that he could claim it's all about "democracy" and the "will of the people".

The big difference between these élites is in their social values. Again, this is more like pre WW1 politics with Conservatives and Liberals, before universal adult suffrage and the rise of the Labour Party.

If that seems familiar, it's because it's succeeded before and, if people don't watch their backs, it will succeed again.

whitewave Sun 02-Apr-17 13:17:23

Just read a very interesting article about Banks - who it seemed bank rolled Brexit. He single handedly bought Brexit.

What I found fascinating and which begins to make sense with regard to the alt right and Trump who are supporters of Putin, is that looking at their political ambitions, so much of it falls in line with Putins ambitions. So I wonder whether Putin can be classed as hard right?

Farage apparently voted almost entirely in the European Parliament in the way that favoured Putinesque ambitions.

Bank it seems is now bank rolling a movement (not a political party because it would be subject to British political law). His ambition is to destroy the traditional political parties in the U.K. Particularly what he terms "Bad MPs" who characteristically are ex Oxford etc. His associates include Bannon, Farage, Gunter, Wigmore, Kassandra (Brietbart editor UK). There is no doubt that they have been playing for the long term, and much of what they want is beginning to reach fruition.

Liberal Democracy - and this includes the Tory Party is under threat.