Brexit all done and dusted?

Actually, my last post was a Big Fat Lie - just couldn't resist! Sorry

After dithering and refusing to answer the question Jeremy Corbyn has now apparently ruled out having a referendum when the terms are known. Total capitulation to Theresa May's policy of Brexit at any cost.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/20/jeremy-corbyn-john-mcdonnell-speech-establishment-people-brexit

Another good reason for the 48% to support the LibDems!

If Theresa May ends up with a bigger majority, it could be that she has even more enemies in her own party.
MPs who voted to remain aren't going to change their minds just because there is a general election.

Trouble is Jen they all toe the line when told to.

Don't you think its time to stop moaning now? There isn't going to be a second shot at brexit, no party will ever do this and overturn a "democratic"vote, it would cause absolute mayhem to say the least. It's done and dusted. All people like you are doing is putting the spoke in something that will not be changed and hampering getting the best deal possible, which is pretty stupid at this stage. France will be the next to get out too, the EU is finally going to crumble. Do you not see that it was a way for Germany to still have some sort of power after the war?

I think the EU will now start to bounce back, not crumble. They need to get these elections out of the way first, and i would think pro-EU people/parties will come through. I think there are more people in the EU who want it to work than the other way around, and they are just as determined.
The US now say they are now putting the EU ahead of us for a free trade deal. Inevitable really given the relative size and importance of the EU v UK. It's things like this that will convince those in the EU that it's much better to be in than out, for all its problems.

Germany has got some power and, as a hugely successful economic nation always has had and will have. Much better that power is as a central plank within a partnership of European countries than as the aggressive, expansionist, military machine it became was between 1870 and 1945.

Listening last night - Newsnight I think. The general opinion is that the EU is set to grow well and outstrip the U.K. in most areas. Unless LE Pen gets the premiership when it could all go pear shaped.

Apparently it is considered that it can easily survive the loss of the UK and perhaps Greece, but France would be a different kettle of fish.

The Italian Election in May 2018 will be as interesting.

It will be held in May next year but the Italian Constitutional Court recently set in place the opportunity for Italy to be able to call an early Election. Some thought that might be in June but it was obviously speculation and looks as though that may not be the case.

My bet is on Emmanuel Macron to win the French Presidency, not Le Penn. Although if they use 'tactical voting' to keep her out the margins are too close to call and they could in fact ' inadvertantly' give her a win.

Macron is a strong runner but strangely Fillon is not totally out of the picture it seems. This weekend is just really getting rid of the no hopers and the second round will be the more interesting and we will know what the real choice is.

I thought Filon was no longer a viable candidate due to filching public money. The French really don't have much of a choice between the hard right, the hard left and an unknown quantity in Macron, althouth ex finance minister I believe, but also ex Goldman Sachs . I am regularly in touch by email with one of my French cousins who lives near Aixe en Provence and he tells me how disillusioned the French are with their politicians. More than us from the sound of things.

It seems that quite a few people think Fillon has been stitched up but strangely even with this hanging over him he is still on with a chance.

I think I should have said "allegedly" if it's not proven. I understand that his wife received a substantial amount of money, but didn't actually do any work for it, allegedly! My money would be on Macron as overall winner, he probably has the least whiff of scandal about him, at the moment anyway.

Trump is going to favour the EU in trade deals above the UK. Well blow me down with a feather!!

That's because he needs deals with them now, we cannot deal with the US until we are free of the EU, so in two years.So it doesn't matter.

I would be surprised if Le Pen won the French election.If she did though, the EU could not continue without France(in the event of them voting to leave.)

How can you blow someone down with a feather? Reminds me of a colleague of mine who insisted that 'one foul swoop' was correct.

Yes, I did think that, it's either blow me down or knock me over with a feather,
But we knew what you meant WW

At least it wasn't one fowl swoop Ana

Yes, sorry whitewave, of course we did. Think I need a break from all this political stuff...it's lovely out!

roses, it probably was! Couldn't tell...

I am slumped in comfy chair worn out with small DGC visit, but it does look lovely outside.???

One important thing with this election is I think to keep the loons from having too much say over Brexit. The worse thing of all is for the UK to seek a hard Brexit, it would be a total shot in the foot, - the other one we've already shot the first foot be voting Ntexit.

Tactical voting is definately needed to try to keep the loons from being voted in.

Brexit!

Here are some notes which should interest everyone regardless of how they voted in the referendum, from someone who cares passionately about our democracy.

"Some voters will cast their vote in the upcoming election using it as a vote of confidence in the governments ability to negotiate with Europe. The next government will negotiate on many issues, but what this election cannot be seen as is a blank cheque for an as-yet-unknown deal.

Our values are embedded in the primacy of parliament, and in uncertain times, it is of heightened importance that our elected representatives exercise their democratic duty and use all levers at their disposL to ensure a fair balance of powers.

We need a change of tone of politics so that the next parliament is a place of integrity, purpose and reasoned debate.

The idea that parliament should simply rubber stamp any future deal the government presents it with is undemocratic, and reduces representative democracy to a mere footnote."

Our politicians should be able to debate vigorously and refuse anything that would damage our country.

" It is not too much in the mother of all parliaments to ask that politicians stand up for all our best interests"