Brexit all done and dusted?

Cindersdad I'll perhaps provoke you just a little! I think you might be in danger of thinking it's only you that understands all the ills of the world and if only the rest of us would just listen we might start to get somewhere.
Of course that is something that might be said of many of us on these threads.
Apart from me, of course?!

So Brexiters was this what you hoped would happen?

The UK have lost what is called the " Crown Jewels"

Both the Banking and Medicine agencies are being taken from us. They both employ about 1000 people and provide a hub for numerous businesses in the U.K.

And oh how surprising we failed to receive backing from a single EU country in our request to start trade talks prior to our leaving the EU. Did none of our oh so clever ministers read the small print???!!

Apparently the attitude of our Government has turned the sympathy that was felt by Europe to one of exasperation because of the rather childish behaviour by May and cohorts where they aggresively talked of becoming a low tax, low regulation economy.

Spains veto over Gibraltar remains on the table despite the UKs anger.

So pleased that the Brexiters assurances that we have more clout than the EU and that they will fall into line with our requests is reaching fruition! What a load of bunkum.

No Rigby, she thinks she's the Prime Minister of The UK, someone rather more appropriate than the Pope to deliver an Easter message to the people of the UK. I agree that I don't get any great sense of consensus on Brexit yet, but it's much less a topic of conversation among people I know than it was. In any event she is obviously trying to promote unity, which isn't too terrible an objective however unlikely you might think her chances of success.
And Gnet political threads are certainly not a good yardstick on which to base general opinion!

Sorry for breaking my promise to shut up especially when I have not been provoked in any way. On balance the EU has given ordinary people improved rights in both employment and consumer matters. Unfettered immigration, which seems to be the motivation for the LEAVE vote is a consequence many factors. Our language, English, is the second language for many countries. As a nation we are generally tolerant and fair compared to many others; but there is significant underlying prejudice.

Some EU regulations like those controlling fishing and wonky vegetables are ill thought out. But ill thought rules can be changed if we part of the regulatory. Britain has a small land area and can only support a finite population so immigration has to be controlled, Brussels should appreciate this.

The reasons for immigration into Europe are down to Europe being more attractive than Africa and Middle East. The Middle East has been wrecked by past Imperialism and present day religious intolerance within Islam coupled with interference from the West and Russia. The largely innocent population can no longer cope. Africa has many parallels with the Middle East.

Russia has little immigration, The US has the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans as largely effective insulation from the areas where it has caused catastrophe. So US preaching (thou do as I say diplomacy) and force are seen as the right thing to do; that won't work as it hasn't in the past.

Europe is in danger of falling apart if the interests of the individual nations are not given more understanding. Moore tolerant unity is essential if it is survive in the long run, Brexit will hasten its demise with possible conflict within Europe if lessons are not learnt. The EU has given a generally peaceful Europe with some resentment, without it World War 3 probably would have happened already, as George Orwell predicted in 1984. Such a thing is truly unthinkable.

So what can be done. I wish I knew. But without interference the Middle East will sort itself out in its own way. North Korea left alone will sooner or later come in from the cold. There will be trouble on the way but us sticking our oar in will probably make it worse.

Britain's problems are due to a legacy of complacency relying on past glories and not the fault of the EU. Japan after being very successful post war has started to follow a similar pattern. The US already has.

Whichever way Brexit or no Brexit ends to UK must sort out its own issues by not ignoring poorer parts of the country, learning from past mistakes. Tailoring education to suit the needs of the individual and society. Fix what's wrong and leave what's right well alone.

The EU can be fixed, the electoral system can be made fairer, National Pride restored. More easily with the UK part of Europe than outside. Not easy but the rot has to be stopped before we become a third world country.

Mazie I agree with you. However, there is one thing the EU has done, more than 10 years ago but the effect of which over the last 10 years has, I think, helped the Brexiteers significantly, and that is the introduction of the Euro. The idea was fine but, in order to get support, the Germans and French pushed for very loose economic control over membership and in particular borrowing. In other words they allowed political objectives to override what were clear economic requirements. The result was huge disruption within the Eurozone, still being acutely felt, in particular in Greece, an effect perhaps greater than the banking crisis. The UK has been substantially protected from the effects - in particular bail out costs- as it didn't join. But I think the disruption, cost, and the serious effect on the people of Greece in particular but other countries as well, turned a lot of people against the EU. The damaging effect on UK perception has not been helped by the fact that the EU seem to have been increasingly marginalising the non-eurozone countries.

Easter Mesage -FFS who does she think she is, the Pope? No sense of people coming together or uniting from what I can see ( and GN's a good illustration of that). People I know are angrier than ever as it becomes clearer and clearer what the complexities of all this will mean. And meanwhile domestically the majority of the population suffer more and more from austerity, the rich get richer and globally we stagger with the likes of DT towards Armegeddon.

In the PM's Easter message she mentions a sense of "people coming together". Not sure what circles she is moving in. The words "Yes Prime Minister" spring to mind. 99% of my acquaintance still see leaving the EU as a disaster in the making.

Apart from the perceived evil of mass immigration how has the EU harmed ordinary people? That's what I was asking for clarification on.

Someone is so obsessive about politics that they really have no clue about do they have a life?

Junkers was practically frothing at the mouth last time I saw him on the tv. He's also said some very nasty things since.

You tell me of one country that prospers from being dictated to by brussels?

We weren't such fools to enter into the currency, now we are even less thank god.
Im so glad we are getting out of such a dictate. It was a nice idea but now has no place. Even the way we are being threatened over and over again is showing me I am right.
Remoaners are doing the same. Funny how people that profess to be so "balanced" are weirdly unaccepting.

Maybe being in the EU didn't harm you Maizie D.
Live in a place where mass eu immigration hasn't affected you?

I know it's a bit of a pointless discussion which might bore some people, but I'd be really interested to know what the EU did in the last 10 years to cause brexit saak. Why the last 10 years and not the previous 30?

You see, I think I'm a pretty ordinary person and I can't for the life of me think of any time when the EU has harmed me in any way. Bankers, yes; the tories, yes; but not the EU.

I haven't been on since 4.00 p.m.
I've just come on now to put you right.

well you are far more up on the "arm chair" political front. I have to bow down to your knowledge then. I will never bow down to what was happening to ordinary people during the last 10 years, hence brexit. I tend to wonder why you are so full of such knowledge and so combative? do you have the news channel on 24/7. Really? why can't you accept a democratic vote?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/15/britain-set-to-lose-eu-crown-jewels

Can't say you weren't warned, Brexiteers.

Oh dear, saak, you said you did not see how a political party as a whole could be prosecuted. I was just showing you that they can. So can UKIP in the EU.

*having to

Oh dear durhamjen. I was responding to someone saying that UKIP were fraudsters. I don't really think, to be fair, that brexit had much to do with political parties that were in power at the time. It was more to do with 10 years of every day people to be quiet over what they actually saw happening.

The conservative party has been charged with fraud and agreed to pay £70,000.
Did you miss that somehow, saak?

You typed derogatory not me Maizie.
I said I thought that most of the remoaners were taken to task over their expenses due to another poster claiming that UKIP were being prosecuted, how a party as a whole can be I have no idea.

I didn't say that Maizie. I said that if you look back at the expenses fraud most of them are in the remoaner camp, if there needs to be one. I don't give a damn about who's in or who's out to be fair. Democracy (which I agree with) has, at last come to fruition. I was one of the people that chose sense over monetary value for the few.

derogatory? really? most were until they were told otherwise

What on earth are you on about saak?

Oh, and perhaps fraud can only be expected of 'remoaners'...

Which makes one wonder why UKIP are being investigated for fraud...

derogatory? really? most were until they were told otherwise