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Brexit all done and dusted?

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Cindersdad Sun 02-Apr-17 16:47:13

As an arch REMOANER I for one (of many) will not simply roll over and say that is that. As things progress at the very least parliament must ensure that the country does not Brexit in a bad way because of "The Will of the People". So many lies were told by both side at the time of referendum that when the full facts come to light a re-think should be considered.

I have yet to hear a sound reason for voting LEAVE. Of course the EU is far from perfect but we are better trying to change it from within than sniping from outside. A general election or second referendum before the point of absolute no return.

I happen to be visiting Brussels on an educational trip after Easter so until then I will put up and shut up unless really provoked.

stillaliveandkicking Tue 16-May-17 23:42:48

Why do you want to remain in the EU daphnedill? Fear?

daphnedill Tue 16-May-17 23:39:45

I'm in the UK and support Remain.

stillaliveandkicking Tue 16-May-17 23:38:19

We do not need to be in some kind of post war club anymore to keep some kind of "peace". It's done, we're getting out. Either you're with the UK or you're not. I find it pretty sad and ridiculous that arm chair politicians that know only what is fed to them cannot get with the programme.

stillaliveandkicking Tue 16-May-17 23:22:59

It's a bloody farce and everyone should be well and truly over it.

stillaliveandkicking Tue 16-May-17 23:19:30

How on earth do you know the "consequences" If you actually look at the 26 in the EU most, apart from a few are trying to get out of their countries for a better life, what's that about then. I wouldn't mind if it was half/half but it's not.

durhamjen Tue 16-May-17 23:00:11

Labour does have a problem with Brexit, though.
There are lots of Labour constituencies where the MP voted remain and the constituents voted to leave. That's how the moneymen can back brexiters in those constituents.

Liberals are much clearer in that they want to remain.
All Tories obey the Great Leader on Brexit.

varian Tue 16-May-17 19:13:22

Labour is not convincing on Brexit. Jeremy Corbyn was as unenthusiastic and as invisible as Theresa May in the Remain campaign. I suspect both were either closet Leavers or "what's in it for me" opportunists.

If you think Brexit is wrong and damaging for our country you must vote Liberal Democrat.

durhamjen Tue 16-May-17 17:57:14

However....

voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/05/16/how-can-anyone-be-stupid-enough-to-think-labour-supports-the-tories-on-brexit/

Labour's Brexit is different to Tory Brexit.

whitewave Tue 16-May-17 17:52:27

Yes -it's Brexit all the way regardless it seems. Answer by shadow women's minister - didn't get her name.

Cindersdad Tue 16-May-17 17:49:58

Apparently my question on BBC Askthis made live TV on the BBC Newchannel around 12:45 pm today. Sadly for me I was out at the time so never heard the answer

A leading Question to all party leaders

A lot more has come to light since the referendum so views have changed both ways. If during negotiations it becomes clear that remaining within the EU would be better for Britain should parliament have a free vote to overturn the referendum result (or may be call a second referendum)?

Did anyone hear the answer from Labour though TM's reply would be more interesting?

trisher Tue 16-May-17 14:10:43

A colour 'to die for'?

Jalima1108 Tue 16-May-17 10:58:37

talking about dye - my lovely new navy blue scarf has leaked dye (die?) all over my nice new cream top (it wasn't even raining at the time)
Bastardus!!

Any tips please Welshwife or shall I start another thread? I washed it 3 times in very hot water and it is a nice very pale navy now.

trisher Tue 16-May-17 10:56:18

You say die I say dye
You say Bastardus I say Bastardis

Oh the first 2 sound the same!!? Bloody English spelling again!!

Thanks for a much needed laugh grin

Jalima1108 Tue 16-May-17 10:41:30

sorry - Bastardus! I think blush

I mis-heard, and it has been a long time since then, my memory fails me.

Jalima1108 Tue 16-May-17 10:37:50

Suetonious was scribbling it all down, even your exclamation 'Bastardis!!'

rosesarered Mon 15-May-17 22:03:20

Suetonious was right, Caesar did say that, I remember it well.We were having a quick game of snakes and ladders before battle, and he confiscated our die (the bastard!)

Jalima1108 Mon 15-May-17 19:06:28

The point of no return - aka as 'Crossing the Rubicon'

grannylyn65 Mon 15-May-17 19:05:54

It's die !!

Jalima1108 Mon 15-May-17 19:05:16

Alea iacta est ("The die is cast") is a Latin phrase attributed by Suetonius to Julius Caesar on January 10, 49 B.C. as he led his army across the Rubicon river in Northern Italy.

The dye is cast is of course a misspelling, but it’s not as common as we thought it might be.

wink

Ana Mon 15-May-17 18:58:56

You believe what you want to, Welshwife. (Do have a quick google later though...wink)

Ana Mon 15-May-17 18:56:40

Of course you do...grin

Welshwife Mon 15-May-17 18:56:40

I did fabric/weaving course at College and she always spoke of the dye being cast - often set with salt.

durhamjen Mon 15-May-17 18:54:41

Except, of course, there is nothing to chance in this. We all knew this would happen.

I prefer Welshwife's explanation.

Welshwife Mon 15-May-17 18:54:26

Also as I said - once the colour is in the fabric it cannot be removed -

However Brexit is a bit of a chance!

Ana Mon 15-May-17 18:51:47

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