Brexit all done and dusted?

Gordon Brown saak - he called a woman 'a bigot'

Wow, some of the comments on here are really awful! Querying somebody's IQ has to be scraping the bottom of the barrel! Well done saak for putting up such a robust argument, but to be honest, I simply wouldn't bother, as you'll only let yourself in for bullying and arrogance by people on here who deem themselves more informed, academic, and vastly superior to the rest of us poor straw chewing peasants who clearly need re educating before being allowed to vote!! (Never mess with a teacher!!)

I cannot follow the argument that TMay will get rid of the EU - do you mean she will destroy the whole thing or just destroy the UK by taking it out?

The unfortunate thing is that many many politicians just lie - it us not always possible to spot these lies especially when they are promising something we would like to see happen.

Personally I would like to see a Health Service which really does what it was set up to do and has the funds to do this - also I think that no retired people on pensions should be on the poverty line - and I would like to see more money in primary education. This will need money and from taxes - Tim Farron is quite open he would put a penny on the tax to pay for I think the NHS - I would happily pay 2p more if it would do all three things.

saak there will not be an end to immigration and foreigners will continue to come here to work and study. You have been sold a policy which is not only unenforceable but impossible and actually bad for our economy. No one is going to close the borders because we need people to come here from the EU and other countries. They pay fortunes to our universities, they prop up our health service, they enrich our science and research centres and they do the jobs no one else wants to.
Continue living in Cloud Cuckoo Land where only the real British are permitted, the rest of us will be here in modern multi-racial Britain trying to balance the budget and make the best of a Brexit we never wanted.

niggly It was saak who started the accusations about a certain poster's IQ. The post had been deleted. I agree with you - it is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

The only thing I would add to your post Trisher is that international students bring £Ms to this country. One MA at a certain British Uni costs £25,000 tuition. c.£8,500 halls accommodation; £3,000 for English classes prior to joining their department. Add to this annual costs for food and drink,travel, books and stationery,clothing, sports, socialising, etc; etc.

They bring vast amounts of money and keep many people in employment.

Disposable income is set to shrink this coming year as a result of Brexit- inflation. This is set to rise to 3.4%. A price worth paying many if our age will say as we sit in our comfortable owned homes looking out of our windows as we betray the young who didn't want any of it, but because of their selfish, insular and xenophobic elders have to somehow deal with it.

Polly Toynbee has an article in the Guardian about all the money being reduced in what is broadly called 'the state'. This is Environmental Health Officers as well as roads etc. The Gov. are working on a 40 year plan it seems to reduce the spending down to 36% of GDP - much of Europe spends 44% or more on theirs. Very interesting but worrying in the extreme. Haven't put the link because I know it annoys many people but a tad of googling - Guardian and Polly Toynbee should find it OK.

I think what is being done to the youngsters is awful - the only good point I can see is that is making many of them politically aware. DGS And I have conversations about it and we have been discussing voting tactics in the election. I am pleasantly surprised how aware he and his friends are - they are mid twenties and well educated - degree or PhD - gives me hope for the country in the future!

Well whitewave, you can sit there in the comfortable own home whilst I could never afford one due to being working class. Says it all doesn't it. As for the other comments they're far too narrow-minded for me to even want to answer.

How do you know if inflation will rise or not? Been reading pro-propaganda again. Do you have crystal ball as well whitewave?

As turn-out was a mere 36% amongst 18-24 year olds can older Remainers start blaming them for their apathetic attitude?

Sorry, but there is enough inter-generational warfare without carrying on the belief that older people ruined the futures of younger people by voting Leave.
Older people have more of a sense of civic duty and will go out to vote whereas younger people will just moan now about the result for years to come.

I dislike the blame culture - if they felt strongly about this they should have got out there and voted.

Inflation has already risen compared to a year ago.
Strangely people who own their own homes do not necessarily have more money but simply spend it in different ways

At the moment Brexit is not going well and May is more than aware of this unfortunate turn of events.

She is also aware that after a potential glorious June and ascent to the throne, she will find herself blamed as prices rise and the economy stagnates. That is almost certainly why she rushed into an early election. It is almost certain that May is finally beginning to understand how weak her Brexit position is, and the lack of experience of her ministers, especially bumbling David Davis.

She surely must now understand the impossibility if cherry picking. The hard Brexiters still don't get it. The EU doesn't need to play dirty. The EUs economy is expanding, and seemingly the populist tide is receding. The EU already has the upper hand, both in terms of the too-tight article 50 timetable and the opening agenda, which it has dictated. Britain is the supplicant. It is divided. And on crucial issues, it does not seem to know what it wants.
In contrast the 27 seem united.

T is time for May to wake up and stop dancing to the ignorantly chauvinistic, jingoistic tunes of the Eurosceptic right.
A good start would be the unilateral guaranteeing the rights of citizens in the U.K.

The sooner she admits that there are billions of pounds owing, a fact never mentioned in the referendum, the sooner voters will be able to place in its true perspective the Brexiters egregious, not forgotten lie about freeing upon£350m a week for the NHS.
Let's hope if May wins in June she proves herself responsible.

Observer

jalima you are confusing the blame culture for fact. It is a fact that the vast majority of young voted to remain. The majority of over 60s voted to leave.

Good job you put 'Observer' at the end of your post whitewave. I thought it was a rather unusual post for you! (Quotation marks around the piece would have made it clearer that those were not your own words)

It is a fact that the vast majority of young voted to remain. The majority of over 60s voted to leave
It is also a fact that a majority of the young did not vote and that a majority of older voters did.

stillaliveandkicking I don't believe I have read any posting by you which has not been unpleasant in tone. A lot of people on here have differing views on all sorts of things, but don't resort to that. I feel sorry for you if you feel that angry and bitter (and superior) all the time.

Jalima Post-referendum research has suggested that the turnout for 18-24 year olds was actually much higher than originally thought.

The original figures were based on exit polls, but many young people used postal votes.

Sorry, but I'm on the side of the young, but they won't get anywhere, because there are more baby boomers like the three wolves and two sheep deciding what to have for dinner.

I think some GNers should take a step back and see how much they moan about younger people.

It is not a fact that the majority of young did not vote in the referendum!!!!

Ee by gum! Do you live in a cardboard box saak. It must be a superior version with internet connection and electricity. Do you wear a flat cap and race pigeons too?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo

Yes, no good the young complaining about the results of the referendum when younger voter turnout was so low.It may be just as low in the GE to come.

I think some GNers should take a step back and see how much they moan about younger people
Well, all the ones in my family are brilliant!
and those of most of my friends are too, all lovely young people and very few whingers amongst them.

That was what was widely reported though daphnedill so please excuse my ignorance.
I'm glad if they did show more civic responsibility than was at first reported.

And - you are probably a baby boomer I think (awful term) but I'm not in fact.
I do find the 'Gen X' is more contemptuous of the 'Gen Y' (Millennials) than any older person is.

Brexit is beginning to take it toll on output and the trade gap.

Industrial output and the trade gap widened as the uncertainty around Brexit is beginning to weigh on the U.K. Economy.

The fall in the value of the pound which was so widely talked up by the Brexiters as a GOOD THING, has done little to boost exports, but has caused inflation to rise and the price of imported raw materials to rise considerably.