Brexit all done and dusted?

Jalima I was responding to saak's derogatory post about the House of Lords. Being 'remoaners' clearly puts them completely beyond the pale...

I said "I think you will find" I didn't say it was a fact. You took it upon yourself to tell me what I stated.

I'll decline your kind suggestion saak do your own research before you post 'facts'

I think the OP referred to himself as a 'Remoaner' MaizieD!

It was tongue in cheek I'm sure, but nonetheless it is in the OP.
In fact An arch REMOANER

Will let you go search to prove me wrong Rigby.

I'll believe your comment when you provide the link that shows what you posted was true.

Do you know otherwise Rigby? Were they all framed?

* saak* you think or you know? Anyway why let the facts get in the way ?

OMG! 'Remoaners' the ultimate insult

How funny that quite a few people in the actual government were being done for expense fraud and more, even now some in the house of lords pretend to go and claim. I actually think a majority of them are remoaners

Jolly little snowman is always losing his head. Don't want that to happen with UKIP fraud.

Olaf? He always seems to be a jolly little snowman

Ah, the other OLAF.

Sorry, on that note I will log off and leave you all to it as Cindersdad appears to have done having given a good stir

OLAF is still looking into UKIP fraud. In 2015 one MEP was sentenced to 5 years in prison. Farage and others are being investigated. That's probably why they make a fuss in the EU parliament, to show other MEPs that they are there.

EU Parliament seems to have more power than people think it has

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-parliament-uk-leave-talks-meps-ukip-nigel-farage-european-commission-council-a7680236.html?utm_content=bufferdff78&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

(apologies for the massive link)

It is seen in Britain as a mere talking shop. The European Parliament usually makes UK news bulletins only when Nigel Farage hurls insults, Ukip MEPs literally fight among themselves or there’s another row about the Parliament’s costly travelling circus between Brussels and Strasbourg.

Yet the 751-member Parliament will play an important role in shaping Brexit and has the power to vote down any UK-EU deal. Although little-noticed in Britain, its influence has grown and most EU policies are now the subject of “co-decision” by the Parliament and Council of Ministers from member states.

The Parliament is already flexing its muscles over Brexit and taking a harder line than the European Commission, the EU civil service, and the European Council, the 27 national leaders.

A recent Parliamentary Committee Report was critical of Parliament, government and Civil Service over their performance during the Referendum campaign, raising issues to be avoided in future Referendum campaigns, if there are any.

www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmpubadm/496/49603.htm

This includes: "The manner of the presentation of government reports, particularly those from the Treasury, and the decision to spend £9.3m on sending a leaflet, advocating a Remain vote, to all UK households, were inappropriate and counterproductive for the Government. While the Government did not support a Leave vote, they nonetheless had a constitutional and public obligation to prepare for both outcomes from the referendum."

Amen to that. There was never any doubt that the government supported Remain and, sadly, the Civil Service were not seen to be impartial.

I would imagine many of the EU Directives and Regulations will be adopted by a post-Brexit Parliament, if it allows us ever to reach post-Brexit. It will also demonstrate just how many EU Regulations and Directives there were that Parliament had never approved previously.

I never welcome middle eastern families who do not pay their taxes, petra.
Normal, ordinary middle eastern families are welcome, of course, but not those who live in massive mansions in Belgravia, etc., who only come here to cheat the system. Those who exploit workers should be in prison, just like anyone else in this country who breaks the law.

"They don't love cheap labour - they exploit it, and break the law.

Not the sort of English people I would be proud to be associated with, but others don't mind."

Yes and some people are quite happy to 'exploit' those who work for example in illegal hand car washes and don't know or seem to care what wage they earn, if they too are being exploited , what their living standards and accommodation is like etc.etc. Exploitation comes on many levels !

Then there is the European Union Posted Workers Directive which feeds in to the post by nigglynellie at 19.28 .

The posted Workers Directive keeps getting mentioned on threads but conveniently forgotten time and time again. There is a collective memory loss it seems at times.

As for the Corbyn £10 an hour Living Wage it sounds good but it couldn't come into play until 2020 presuming he is still Labour Leader , Labour wins the General Election and there isn't an early General Election called.

Why do I say it sounds good?

The Living Wage will be probably over the next 3 years be getting pretty close to £9/£10 anyway. If a snap General Election was called for arguments sake say in July 2017 and Corbyn won could he follow through on his 'PROMISE' Labour would increase the Living Wage to £10 an hour 'within months of winning the next General Election'?.

I wonder how many businesses would have to shut down or jobs could be lost if that scenario happened.?

Would that be the middle eastern families that you welcome with your love of an 'open border policy' durhamjen

And Corbyn can advocate any rate of pay he wants, it's irrelevant because he will never be in power.

It does now. Came in on January 1st 2017.
8.84 euros an hour, but most companies pay far more.

By the way, Germany doesn't have a national minimum wage. After the two Germanies reunited, many British building workers were happy enough to be exploited when the German government poured billions into reconstruction in the East. Remember "Auf Wiedersehen Pet?"

Another way of looking at it, was that Germany provided jobs. As the jobs weren't permanent, it meant that Germany could benefit, because the workers could bank their pay and usually returned home to spend it. The workers benefited, because the pay was better than in the UK.

They don't love cheap labour - they exploit it, and break the law.
Not the sort of English people I would be proud to be associated with, but others don't mind.

No, it was to durhamjen in response to her post of 20.50.

Was that to me Ana??

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/13/brexitland-vote-leave-sheffield-brexit-industrial-strategy

From what I've read, a lot of the cheap labour complained. Did no good because they'd had their passports taken away and would be sent back as illegal immigrants.
Came over with middle eastern families and were treated as slaves.
Is that the sort of childcare you were involved with, saak?
Sort of English person I would be ashamed of.