V.A.T, in school fees

Yes, it would be quite a huge fight, I can't imagine opening such.

There would be a huge fight - can you imagine!!!

I've never understood why private or public schools still have charitable status. They don't do much for it.

Not an answer to the question. Just curious, would it be fair to remove charitable status from schools?

Corbyn knows he will be on a hiding to nothing by suggesting taking away their charitable service. Many people who pay school fees run businesses and understand about VAT being put on services. They are paying for added value for their dear little offspring, so should understand that.
It shows on here that some people don't.
50% of the population have been paying VAT on sanitary wear for most of their lives, but not complained about that until lately. What's wrong with paying it to get your children or grandchildren social advantage or value?

I wonder if EU rules will apply to that, too, whitewave.
I bet that when the next election comes round, the government will say it will reduce VAT. My bet is on 15%.
They will assume that people will have forgotten that they put it up to 20% from 17.5% in 2011, having promised in their manifesto that they would not.
Unfortunately, most people will have forgotten.

Do you not read replies, either, Annie?
Hard to believe you started this thread about Corbyn THINKING of applying VAT to fees for private schools. NOBODY avoids paying VAT on that yet, because it is not charged. NOBODY can avoid paying VAT on private tuition because it isn't charged.
SOMEBODY, it might even have been you, suggested that if VAT were to be charged on private school fees it should be charged on private tuition, too.
That's all. Nobody is avoiding paying VAT - yet.

So is Labour proposing that Fee paying schools should start to charge VAT?

They are exempt at the moment as a result of their charitable status. Is Labour proposing to take that status away?

Can of worms there!!

There must be an easier way of providing universal free meals to tinies.

No there is a distinction * trish* education which is free at the point of supply is outside the scope of VAT. That supplied by say a fee paying school is exempt, as is private tutoring by a sole provider.

All education including vocational training and tutoring is VAT free at the moment.

I haven't been following this thread, so at the risk of driving someone mad. Isn't the supply of education that is charged at the point of supply exempt?

Avoiding paying vat us the same as avoiding income tax Jen, do you not read replies to your question?

£49 an hour for a 40 hour week 52 weeks a year to make it worthwhile going over the VAT threshold.
How many parents pay that for tuition?

Which is why I asked Annie what she knew about VAT, daphne.
Even if a teacher did only private tutoring, s/he would not reach VAT levels for self employment. Annie should know that if she deals with VAT.

I heard about that some time ago. It's pinched from a US programme. Not sure it would work. The idea was that a soldier would bring discipline into the class room. Still not sure how they would cope when a 10year old told them to "Fuck off"

Bu surely HE is not about cramming facts into a child. I would have thought the opposite, as if I home educated anyone I would take them out and about - learning as you do things. Socially losing out is a moot point - they probably won't pick up "bad ways" but would, I suppose, not have large friendship groups. I think it could work well with large families - all learning together. Remember the Brontes were HM and they did pretty well.
This has made me think of Wackford Sqeers in Nicholas Nickelby who believed in a practical form of education.

"Spell winder and then go out and clean em"

There is a scheme to put ex-sevicemen and women into schools, to fast-track them.
I don't think they last very long.

getintoteaching.education.gov.uk/explore-my-options/teacher-training-routes/specialist-training-options/troops-to-teachers

Jalima Yes, they have.

Are you in wind-up mode Beammeupscottie or did you just get out of bed on the wrong side?

anniebach What do you think private teachers should be registered to do?

They should already be registered as self-employed, even if they have a full-time teaching job. They don't have the turnover to be VAT registered.

If a parent is concerned about a tutor not declaring income, they should ask for a receipt and report them to HMRC, just as they should with anybody who provides a service.

What kind of registration did you have in mind? If you mean professional registration, that still wouldn't mean that they would declare all their earnings.

I've just remembered something told to me by a friend who was 17 at the end of WW2 - 1945/7. They were so desperate for teachers, they were taking unqualified people, so she became a teacher. What's new?

Any teacher who calls a child stupid or a cry baby should be sacked - and probably would be.

I don't! Schools should be about more than cramming children with facts. Most also learn how to cope with social situations and meet people. Why do you think having a home governors and governesses fell out of fashion?

I think an amount of petty cruelty goes on in classrooms with little people - mockery, really.
a. Child says to teacher "Shall I use my pencil" Teacher replies "No, use your finger, stupid"
b. "I am stupid" repeat after me "I am stupid,
c. To crying child "Who's a little cry baby then"

Always remember School isn't for everyone. I am a great believer in home-education and feel the child who has this is truly privileged.

I hope I'm worth my weight in biscuits too! Bottles of wine, scented candles and bathroom smellies are also very welcome .

There are all sorts of reasons why children benefit from private tuition.I teach languages, which is like maths in that it's highly structured and if a pupil falls behind for some reason, it's difficult to build on prior learning and make progress.

I also think that a pupil needs to have certain characteristics to be a successful language learner, particularly with oral work. The pupil needs to be confident enough to take risks and learn from mistakes from immediate feedback. It's so much easier to develop that with one-to-one tuition rather than in classes of 30+.