Why is this not newsworthy?

Abonet said: "Of course they are not the same.
Take for instance the people I know. South Africans, third generation Indian.
Or the many mixed race I know.
Or relatives who have many races in their heritage, regardless of which country they now live in."

So, Abonet, to repeat my question that you seem to think is odd: how can you tell what a person's nationality is if you don't know them personally?

You don't have to answer. I know the answer: you can't. Even if they are speaking a language other than English with their family or friends, they could still be British nationals.

Well done Huddersfield for catching this gang. I hope the trial gets a conviction. I fear this is happening all over the UK, but hidden. It's always been around in one form or another and, as has already been said, it always will be so long as there's a demand. What the answer is I don't know - castration perhaps!

Our DD1 lives near Aylsebury and can pick up both Look South and Look East. They opt for Look East as Look South tends to repeat much of the main news. Says it all I think!

DH has an Irish name but isn't Irish. He is white British. He has very dark skin and in winter is often mistaken for someone from Romania or the Med. By mid summer when he's even more tanned he's mistaken for someone from the Middle East or the Indian subcontinent.

Can you really tell someone's nationality simply by looking at them? Would some of you be extra vigilant in his presence because he appears to be non-white?

I have been unfortunate in that I have known several men (including a Catholic priest) who have been prosecuted and imprisoned for sexually abusing children. All these men were white. None of their court cases and prosecutions were reported nationally.

I certainly can't tell nationalities. Useless at it. Thought my lovely nurse in hospital was Indian until I saw her name tag and realised she was probably Italian!

I believe that the cases are not reported because the papers must not influence the jury and the defendants are considered innocent until found guilty. However once the Judge has made his decision and the people if found guilty are awaiting sentencing then the Paper's can report.

yep, you are right thatbags. I thought I had the nationality bit right but I didnt

Whilst the perpertrators of any abuse are absolutely resposible for their own actions and need to be punished we need also to consider the context that creates the 'perfect storm' that enables this sad and abhorrent situation to happen.
The men, apparently of Pakistani heritage, have probably been through British schools, the girls generally tend to have a similar disadvantaged backgrounds. All appear (based on previous cases)to be living in somewhat depressed areas.
The abuse in public schools/RC church communities was able to thrive because nobody believed it would be a possibility. I think that is the stage that the British Pakistani community is at.
I am not advocating glossing over the fact that the perpertrators are from a particiclar "group" but it is easier for a group/community to face up to this if they are not also defending themselves from attack from the wider society.
Also if we(society) have learned anything from the previous high profile case it is that we need to listen to the girls, provide them with better support to disclose and do something radical to prevent them becoming victims.

Although many men (and women for that matter) have been prosecuted for sex crimes against children and vulnerable young adults, I think that it's the sheer numbers of Asian men who have been charged with these crimes that is so upsetting. 10 in Rochdale; 8 in Rotherham; 7 in Oxford; 12 in Keighley and now more. As previous posters have said, intelligence was known to the police, social services and local people that this was a problem, but no one wanted to risk being called racist and so the victims were left to suffer for far longer. It makes no difference what the nationality of the paedophiles are, what matters is finding out why and how they select their victims and stopping them far sooner than we have done so far. And putting a child's safety before political correctness.

I think the numbers of white middle class paedophiles abusing boys in public schools, RC priests abusing alter boys, celebs abusing fans etc. would, sadly, match those numbers. If we now know that there are particular groups of abusers/victims we must be more vigilent and invest in resources that will reduce the liklihood of repeating situations.

Anyone who has worked in safeguarding children whether in police, probation, social work, mental health services etc, will say that the sexual abuse of children has existed throughout time. It happens in all societies, cultures, faith and non faith groups. It's much more widespread than many find it possible to believe.

Easier access to pornography, as well as the dark web have made it easier for like minded individuals to find each other. The issue of organised abuse, as seen recently in groups of men of Pakistani Muslim heritage, is not new. People who sexually abuse children are skilled at targeting, grooming, abusing and keeping their victims quiet. They also know that girls and boys who are known to use substances, drink, run away, truant are often seen as 'unreliable witnesses', not just by those charged with investigating but also by wider society.

according to the NSPCC , one in twenty children are sexually abused ,that's a lot of priests, celebs and Asians

1 in 20 Ab? Is that actually reported abuse or estimated, do you know? Seems incredible to think that in every class of approximately 30 children, more than 1 of them will have been abused.

annieb yes you are right & I realise that an abuser is more likely to be a family member or "friend" but in my post I was refering specifically to widespread abuse in organisatiins/ communities. It is shocking that a a society we have not been able to do enough about this.

What about the British (and other European and American) men who incite and watch the sexual abuse of children, some of them babies, from poor countries around the world?

What about this man:

" A paedophile Christian who targeted impoverished children is suspected of having raped and molested up to 200 children in Cambodia and Malaysia while undertaking voluntary work.

"Richard Huckle, 30, has already admitted to raping and assaulting 23 children, aged between six months and 12 years, in Cambodia and the Malaysian capital, Kuala Lumpur.

However, National Crime Agency (NCA) investigators fear he could have abused up to 200 children after they discovered more than 20,000 indecent images of minors on his computer and camera."

Should people now assume that all British/white/western men are more prone to committing sexual crimes against children?

It keeps being repeated that the reason the Rotherham criminals got away with their crimes for so long was because of "political correctness". In fact, the report found that some of the police officers were of the opinion that young women who got drunk and consorted with Asian men were not the subjects of a crime but were making a "lifestyle choice". It is my feeling that those who were accused of ignoring these crimes used the excuse that they were scared of being called racist because they knew such a claim would be applauded by many of the white population.

As a country we should be ashamed. As a country, the flip side of being tolerant, pc and not wishing to offend, was that we went too far the other way for far too long.

As a country and as individuals, the label of, and fear of being labelled racist by others, meant that things happened, espcially to the vulnerable, got very hurt indeed.

Even on this thread, people prefer to say Asian than to say Pakistan.

It is way past time we all stopped being so very afraid.

Label it and deal with it. Stand up.

You will have to ask the RSPCC Chewbacca , but it is fact that child sex sbuse in the home is quite common place , always has been

I don't agree with abonet. PC is used as an excuse by those who turn a blind eye or are too lazy to do anything about abuse.

X post.I agree with you Eloethan.

I can believe it Chewbacca - from experience, unfortunately. I've never worked in a school with significant numbers of pupils with Pakistani heritage. You might be horrified about what goes on in some white, allegedly middle class households.

Even this thread has tried to be pc.
We have
Asian - instead of saying Pakistan
talk about stoking the fire of racism, if a poster is interested in all of this
not in the public interest
does it matter what the nationality and race of the abusers are
are you advising all females to avoid Asian-looking men

and that was all on page 1.

vulnerable kids still sadly stand no chance

There's seems to be a lot of anti South rhetoric on here. Shows how racism / prejudice grows I suppose. TheBBC has outposts everywhere in the country/ world and they don't just choose "southern" stories. There's a bigger population in the south and London is the capital/ seat of government etc , so it follows that many political stories are those that happen in London. Crime stories come from around the country. There are many horrible things , unfortunately, happening everywhere which don't make the headlines. I am sure when this case is resolved and we know the back stories it will be all over the papers. I remember Panorama of old doing a piece on "Pakistani pimps" in Bradford about 20 years ago, so this problem has been known about for a long time .

What really annoys me is when something from our region makes it to the main news (usually a murder, drugs, illegal immigrants or all three) it's repeated virtually word for word from what was said on the main news. The same shots and statements used several times within a few minutes.

Absolutely EVERYONE guilty of this vilest of crimes needs to be dealt with severely. The repercussions of sexual abuse as a child are enormous..it ruins lives and it ends lives. People commit suicide as a direct result of such abuse they actually take their own lives because they cannot cope with the pain of existence after such trauma. It is so serious a subject that reportage is an absolute must regardless of the background of the perpetrator/s and we must NEVER get weary and 'fed up of hearing' about it.