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Anniebach Tue 18-Apr-17 10:05:00

May is to make an important announcement at 11.15

POGS Thu 20-Apr-17 20:09:04

Boy will the suspension of Gerard Coyne, Unite Leadership Candidate, be interesting to follow.

Ballot for Unite Leadership closed Wednesday, Coyne is suspended Thursday.

To be fair to durhamjen she has been raising the issue of allegations but Unite will have to make a statement saying why surely. Just saying " pending investigation " and " it should not be assumed that any offence has necessarily been committed " begs the question why was he suspended without due process being carried out. I'm sure his supporters will be asking the same question, unless more is known than anybody is letting on.

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/unite-leadership-candidate-gerard-coyne-12920762

I admit to liking Gerard Coyne as my posts have shown and I hope he is cleared of all wrong doing. I hope he gets a fair hearing.

GracesGranMK2 Thu 20-Apr-17 19:42:47

I like Channel 4 news Tricia. It does seem to offer a bit of a balance. Although even on there they are shouting at people (from all parties) for information which, not unreasonably, they don't yet have to give.

A little lighter note. I have just been talking to my mother who, as some of you may remember is 96. She watches the TV News in the evening so is aware of the election. Her view is that Theresa May is 'too young' to be able to see what we need. At 60 I am sure she would be pleased, in a wry way, to know someone thinks she is too youngsmile

TriciaF Thu 20-Apr-17 19:22:12

GracesGran - my (jaundiced ) view is that the BEEB is also in the pockets of the Tories.
You can't expect anything unbiased from UK TV . The nearest is Chanel 4.

Anniebach Thu 20-Apr-17 18:36:24

Gerard Coyed who is standing against McClusky has been suspended because of allegations of bringing the union into disrepute , the voting closed yesterday

GracesGranMK2 Thu 20-Apr-17 18:28:15

I don't mind who the BBC reporters support personally but they should be providing us with unbiased reporting or I am sure there are others who could do their jobs. It goes back to what we were discussing previously; I would prefer my journalism - particularly from the BEEB - to be given to me separately from opinion pieces be they left wing or right wing. What is good for the goose now may be good for the gander later and we should all be hoping they present an unbiased picture or tell us when it is an opinion piece.

GracesGranMK2 Thu 20-Apr-17 18:20:37

Thanks Ana but it was more that I had missed 'bias'.

Ana Thu 20-Apr-17 18:17:14

Well, you would say that, wouldn't you?

varian Thu 20-Apr-17 18:16:45

Not just Nick Robinson, Laura Kuenssberg and Andrew Neil, and who knows how many others. The ridiculous thing is the Tories accusing the BBC of being left wing.

The BBC really need to hire a few impartial political journalists.

whitewave Thu 20-Apr-17 18:15:21

We know that Kuenssberg has been found to have mis- reported about Corbyn in the past, however we also know that she is unsure about Mays approach to Brexit. My bet is that she is a Tory though.

Ana Thu 20-Apr-17 18:15:04

There was nothing wrong with any of your 'personals'...GG2 confused

whitewave Thu 20-Apr-17 18:09:10

Nick Robinson is a Tory supporter.

rosesarered Thu 20-Apr-17 18:08:23

GGM2 yes, thank you, I do know the difference between opinion and fact as you so charmingly put it.I was under the impression that my comment was my opinion.

GracesGranMK2 Thu 20-Apr-17 18:08:09

personal personal bias -

GracesGranMK2 Thu 20-Apr-17 18:04:18

More evidence of media - and personal from a BBC journalist - here.

GracesGranMK2 Thu 20-Apr-17 17:59:37

Oh good post Eloethan.

GracesGranMK2 Thu 20-Apr-17 17:53:48

Oh dear Peep. Yes I did mean poor Gordon but there certainly was a George. Two very different men!

Eloethan Thu 20-Apr-17 17:31:09

If the general consensus is that Corbyn is useless and is only popular with "hard left" supporters, I don't know why virtually all the media coverage is so intent on discrediting him. Why waste so much time insisting that Labour can never win? Why not focus on the wonderful achievements of the Conservatives since they came into power? Achievements like:

Telegraph May 2015
"The Rich Listers are over 100 per cent better off than they were 10 years ago, this despite most of the decade being taken up by the worst recession since the 1930s. By contrast, the average Briton is only as well off as they were before the financial crisis (by some measures they may be worse off)."

Child Poverty Action Group June 2016
"In 2014-15, UK child poverty increased by 200,000 to 3.9 million(after housing costs;
66% of poor children live in working families (up from 64%);
London remains UK region with highest rate of child poverty (37%)

Mirror April 2017
"Tens of thousands of disabled people have had their specially adapted cars and scooters taken away in a cruel Tory benefits shake-up.

"Latest figures from Motability show 51,000 people have lost access to the scheme after they were reassessed for Personal Independence Payments (PIP) - a new benefit launched in 2013.

"Charity Muscular Dystrophy UK said 900 cars are now being taken away every week, as more people are rejected for PIP."

The I February 2017
"The NHS faces a future funding crisis because not enough doctors and nurses are being recruited to replace the large number who are due for retirement. ....... A similar issue is also looming in nursing, with the number of recruits plummeting by 23 per cent due to the removal of the Government’s bursary scheme and applications from the European Union plunging by 90 per cent due to Brexit."

Guardian October 2016
"Almost a quarter of a million children and young people are receiving help from NHS mental health services for problems such as anxiety, depression and eating disorders, figures show.

"The scale of the growing crisis in young people’s mental wellbeing is laid bare with the disclosure that 235,189 people aged 18 and under get specialist care, according to data covering 60% of mental health trusts in England...." (Guardian October 2016)

Shelter February 2016
"....... 29% of private renters have ended up moving three or more times in the last five years. In London that number rises to 37%...."

Mirror March 2017
"Hundreds of bus routes across the country have been scrapped thanks to Government cuts, according to exclusive new research.

"The Campaign for Better Transport study shows £30m has been cut from local authority budgets.

"And it has seen more than 500 routes lost, often leaving people isolated and cut off from major cities.

"The research also shows that since 2010 over £100million, 33 per cent, has been cut from local authority bus funding ...."

Independent Living Nov 2016
"Last year, patients with malnutrition accounted for 184,528 hospital bed days, compared with 65,048 in 2006-07.........

"Many point to service cuts, such as the sharp reduction in provision of meals on wheels, as a significant factor in the growth of malnutrition........

"According to FOI figures obtained last year by Liz Kendall when she was shadow Care Minister, by late 2014 the number of people receiving meals on wheels had gone down by 220,000, compared with 2010; a decrease of 63%."

Business Insider April 2017
"The Government has wasted £138.5 million of taxpayers' money on 62 free schools, university technical colleges (UTCs), or studio schools which have either been closed, partially closed, or failed to open at all, according to The National Union of Teachers."

Mirror March 2017
"A survey found one in six state schools has sent letters to families asking for contributions of £20 a month or more for around 1.4 million kids....

"Horsell Village School in Woking, Surrey, needs to plug a £65,000 black hole and pleaded with parents to send £20 a month by standing order.......

"The school featured in the fly-on-the-wall Channel 4 documentary Educating Essex may have to axe “about a quarter” of its teachers."

My belief is that it would make no difference if Corbyn were to be replaced with someone else - if that person also espoused the same views as Corbyn re the short-sightedness of imposing cuts of this nature which will in the long term damage the health and wellbeing of the country as a whole. It is the ideas that Corbyn puts forward that our pro-Conservative media dislikes and it is fear of those ideas ever being taken seriously that leads to the constant onslaught of ridicule and criticism against him and those that support him. No doubt some Labour MPs were perfectly happy (with the odd ineffectual murmurings of discontent to evidence their supposed Labour credentials) to go along with Tory-lite policies rather than alienate the media.

Peep Thu 20-Apr-17 17:03:52

GG do you mean Gordon Brown, or is there a George Brown as well?

whitewave Thu 20-Apr-17 16:37:05

Wonder how Miller will get on. It seems that her idea has really taken off.

GracesGranMK2 Thu 20-Apr-17 16:27:28

"but of the two methods of interviewing then todays has to be the better one."

Do you comprehend the idea of opinion rather than fact roses?

I just think back to Jimmy Young's interview with Mrs Thatcher and so many others. Definitely softly, softly, catchee monkey. The other thing I would like is a more flexible time frame for the question. 'I am sorry can I have an answer in just two seconds as we are nearly out of time' is just rude.

whitewave Thu 20-Apr-17 16:19:30

By all means pushing for an answer is something they all ought to do, but to ask the question then tell the interviewee what they are going to reply is absolutely ridiculous, as Humphrys did this morning. Neil is too clever by half, asking ridiculous irrelevant questions knowing full well that the politician will almost certainly not have the answer gets us Absolutely nowhere. Neil can incorporate the facts in his question and we would have a much more sensible question and answer session.

Ana Thu 20-Apr-17 16:19:24

Remember Paxo and Michael Howard? grin

rosesarered Thu 20-Apr-17 16:13:20

If you look at interviews from years ago, how the politicians ran rings around the usually obsequious interviewer......they were over respectful by far.
True, it can go too much the other way now, but of the two methods of interviewing then todays has to be the better one.All politicians can talk their way around anything they don't want to answer, and they stall for time, leaning back, saying
'As you well know Andrew blah blah' etc so for an interviewer to keep the answers short, sharp and relevant is no easy task.

Ana Thu 20-Apr-17 16:09:39

Yes, I've always blamed that pesky George Brown for all Labour's problems...

whitewave Thu 20-Apr-17 16:04:15

ggsmile

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