How to vote tactically (spreadsheet)

Of course I get it, I said in my post the left wing parties, which you agree I note are weak, should become one left wing party . What I don't get is if winning by connivance is the only option then that to me is not how I have ever viewed fair play and it sits uncomfortably with me but obviously not to others.

I play by a straight bat and if the Party I vote for does not get the majority share of the vote so be it. BUT if the Party I vote for loses due to 'tactical voting' I just hope the winner is duly ashamed to have won by default NOT because they were the best candidate. That's where I differ big time from yourself and obviously other posters.

It won't happen anyway because their ' policies ' , ( that is what the voter is interested in not playing games ), are at times worlds apart.

The Social Democratic Party , the gang of 4 , tried to do it but failed.

No pogs you still don't get it.

ANY party of the broad left is better than a Tory party. Gina Miller knows it, along with hundreds of thousands others. That is why she is hoping to crowd fund a push to persuade people to vote tactically to prevent this government to continue on its destructive path.

Tactical voting is really a variation of Alternative Voting, where nobody wins an outright majority, so a second round of voting counts as people's second choices. This is what's about to start in France and the form of voting the Conservative Party in the UK uses. It produces a compromise winner rather than an extremist, whom many people hate. That's not connivance. It's ironic that "fair play" produces adversarial politics, as we have in the UK. Other countries have grown up and have a more sophisticated system and learnt how to compromise.

Gina Miller is clearly pressing the hard right buttons. The Faily Mail is furious, calling her the "arch remoaner" and claiming that she is trying to "stop the will of the people"

Wonder who is going to believe that bit of propaganda?

Her web site has gone viral.

Sadly, many people will believe it.

Goebbels would have been proud of the "will of the people" mantra.

It's ironic, because the aim of Miller's court case was to bring decision making and accountability closer to the will of the people through their MPs, rather than leaving it in the hands of a very small group.

I think you do 'get' it POGS and I agree with you completely. You argue your point well.

If anyone is keen to support the crowdfunding for tactical voting you can donate on the site. It is aiming for 300k and is almost there. Raised in 24 hrs.

kitty

Thank you.

varian, I have heard whispers that the only Lib in the Welsh assembly is thinking of standing for the Libs in the general election, if she does the Tory MP who won here two years ago must be very nervous, I hope she does stand, she is very popular, I like her , know her well - she live in this town, she is a genuine Lib, oh how hard a decision voting will be for me if she does stand. Labour has no chance and I doubt I will canvas this election , eeeeek . If I did vote for her it would be because she would be a good MP and I do want the Libs to gain seats , Wales is in danger from the Tories, they even won Gower two years ago.

how sad, raising money to try to improve Corbyns chances, that shows lack of faith in his ability to win in his own shoes.

We'll have to agree to differ kittlester, because I can see no evidence at all of "getting it".

Who's raising money to improve Corbyn's chances? I don't understand what you mean.

More reason to vote tactically

NHS

There is a sharp reduction in real terms being planned for 2018/9. This flies in the face of the Tory mantra of the extra £10bn.
Tory party MP Dr Sarah Wollaston has said that the impression that the NHS is awash with funds are incorrect.
The Red Cross has declared that there is a humanitarian crises in the NHS.

Waiting Lists are increasing exponentially.

Some examples

Maidenhead 9% await more than 4 hrs and there is a £236m funding gap
Greater Manchester 15% more tha 4hrs. £1.1bn gap
West Yorkshire 12% more than 4 hrs £1.1bn gap
North Central London 11% more than 4hrs £1.2bn gap
NW London 20% more than 4 hrs £1.4bn gap
NELondon 12% more than 4hrs £816m gap
SE London 18% more than 4 hrs £934m gap
Birmingham 13% more than 4 hrs £712m gap
Cheshire and Merseyside 17% more than 4 hrs £908m gap
Cumbria 21% wait more than 4 hrs £572 gap.

So much for the mantra "more funding then ever before" nonsense

Daphne, maybe it is you who doesn't 'get' it?

Don't you Daphne !

Not going to be drawn into childish squabbles.

My point is that everyone has their own take on things. Not necessarily right or wrong - just different. Not intended to start a squabble.

No squabbles, just different opinions , I haven't time or patience for squabbles

Keeping to my word. No comment.

This is Gina Miller's crowdfundingpage:

www.gofundme.com/whats-best-for-britain

It's raised over £250,000 of the £300,000 target.

Making it personal gets us absolutely nowhere. The most productive is to address policies, because that is what matters to us all.

Thanks dd wish I had more computer skills. I've bunged in 5 quid

There you go again, reasons why not to vote Tory but can't support your own party because they are weak, you don't have the courage to believe the voter agrees with you. If you did you will be telling them to vote for your Party and another Party is NOT worth voting for.

Having watched and read posts for years posters have 'told ' others how to vote, which party to vote for , some change their mind on a regular basis and has been duly noted.

Those same posters are now saying "Forget what I have been posting, which Party I support to the enth degree, my chosen party is rubbish so we must forge an alliance to win". What does that say? To you it makes sense , to others it says don't you dare have the cheek to ' tell ' anybody to do something you don't have the b---s to do yourself.

How do you know that your candidate 'may'not have broke through and won the place of being an MP ? You never game him / her the chance you took away hope your candidate may have had and gave it to a rival.

If your 'tacticallly voted' candidate wins , say a Lib Dem and you would have voted Labour, do you honestly believe that it will all peace , light and brotherhood in Westminster.

Your aim is for coalition of the left / a hung parliament possibly but they will soon be ripping each other apart. After all they won't be able to blame the Conservatives any more, the 'focus of hate ' will have to transfer to somebody new. That I can't wait to see.