How to vote tactically (spreadsheet)

Sometimes in life if something doesn't work and hasn't done for years a change is needed, this is it. People that keep thwarting the voice of democracy have a very naysay mindset which is yes, pretty stupid.

I have never voted tactically, out of loyalty to my Party. However, the time may have come for me to change the habit of a lifetime.

The EU has worked very well for the UK and for the other member countries. It is not perfect, but you can only make changes to the rules of a club whilst you are still a member.

Nobody is "thwarting democracy". That expression comes straight off the presses of the Daily Mail.

We are a parliamentary democracy and we should be able to rely on MPs actually doing what they believe to be best for the country, not caving in to the right wing press portraying the result of an advisory referendum as democracy. Let's hope the ones who are elected on the 8th of June are better than those that have let us down.

My constituency used to be a key marginal and it has become one again in this election. I'm no longer a LP member but will vote for our sitting L MP because he is a good MP. Friends who have been out canvassing on his behalf report that Jeremy is unpopular on the doorsteps of the areas that have always been Labour voting. Not anymore is the message they're getting.
Daphned, I'm in one of those northern Labour heartlands you mentioned. Brexit ruled here, though I voted Reman as did all my pals (only to be expected of course)
Interesting times, if nothing else.

I personally don't like clubs. To be in a club is hugely constraining. Now, going it alone but coming together as one on certain issues is wonderful. No one feels they "have" to tow the line of the head of such a "club"

Listening to the French elections I am coming to the conclusion that the old tribal loyalties are definately becoming a thing of the past. Given that a brand new party from nowhere has won in France there must be a huge element of non tribal voting.

Fluid? Why would you vote the second best knowing they aren't going to cut it. This is not the time to deviate. Go through with what was started. Go through with what people wanted. Then vote differently next time. That makes perfect sense.

The French left-wing candidate, Hamon, has definitely lost the first round in the French election. It looks likely that Macron (centre left) and Le Pen (far right) will go through to the second round. Hamon has thrown his support behind Macron.

Hamon has just said "We have to defeat the far right, an enemy of the Republic, by voting Macron even if he is not a man of the left".

That's why people support second best, rather than squabbling, which lets in the "enemy".

There are parallels between the left and right of the Labour Party.

ww He hasn't won yet but hopefully will.

I know dd

Interesting, because Martin Schulz might win the German election, if Merkel doesn't. Schulz and Macron are very close politically. Two most important countries in EU will be centre left.

At least clubs are social!

Clubs are social for the people in them. A clique so to speak.

In clubs people work together for the benefit of all -like the EU.

No they don't. Where do you get that from? In "clubs" people dis-include others.

So you want to bec"disincuded"?

Clubs are social for the people in them. A clique so to speak.
In "clubs" people dis-include others.

Contradictory statements
and do you mean exclude?

I may have, thank your for pointing that out, however I'm sure you knew exactly what I meant. I personally wouldn't want to be part of any "club" and shudder at the thought. Im more of an independent person and like a one-to-one conversation.

Wasn't it Groucho Marx who said "I wouldn't want to join a club that would have me as a member"?

Err ok. I just wouldn't want to join a club full stop. Don't like the "club" mentality.

"Independent" as in "don't care about others", "selfish", "find it difficult to relate to others' point of view and make compromises"?

In a democratic election the desired result is for the government to be formed by those for whom the majority of the people in the country vote. The first past he post system destroys that possibility and destroys democracy.

So.....what to do? Look at the past history and decide how to vote - if for example you support Labour policies and the candidate in your constituency stands a chance of getting in, then vote for her. If she doesn't, then what to do? Waste your vote on her or try and make darn sure the Tories do not get in by voting for whoever, in your judgement, stands the best chance of tipping them out and whose policies you find more tolerable.

I live in Tory heartland with just a very brief sojourn by the Lib Dems. In the last election the Tory candidate won by a huge majority, and is likely to do so again. If I vote Labour, it will be to all intents and purposes a vote for the current Tory MP. If I vote Lib Dem, there is a small chance that the current MP will be toppled and reduce the Tory majority, which for me is the desired outcome for all the reasons that others have eloquently described above.

Tactical voting is a way of trying to redress the undemocratic influence of the first past the post system.

Casting a vote that you know will have the opposite result to what you desire is just plain bonkers!

what has being independent got to do with being selfish? It has nothing to do with not caring for others, more to do with not wanting to follow and be part of a herd.

Well said lucky .

Does anyone remember Citizen Smith, leader of the Tooting Liberation Front?

He wanted to be independent.