Voting quandry

I agree with you Monica and find all these personal posts against ab by posters who may be ( or maybe not) Labour voters , simply because she sees the truth about Corbyn, (as do,I may add, a lot of the population and a lot of Labour MP's.)

GracesGranMK2 Are you saying my party right or wrong? If you are, I find that very frightening.

Whenever I have read Anniebach's posts, even though I do not share most of her political views, I have found her principled and thoughtful in all she has written. Supporting a political party when you believe its policies are principled and right and not when you believe they are betraying their ideals is not at all the same as choosing the policies that suit an individual, in fact it can be quite the contrary.

It is a shame that more people do not act like her. It would improve the quality of political discourse beyond measure.

Where you really a LP supporter or just an LP supporter when it suited you Annie? Rather like JC.

I did not support all the strikes in 1979, I cannot support strikes which causes far more than invonvenience to the public.

The ambulance strike caused much distress, and leaving the dead unburied ? No

These strikes caused distress and fear for innocent people

It was also the extent of these strikes which turned the voter against Labour because of links with the unions and Thstcher to take on the unions starting with miners, if she could Win this she could take on the rest she did win .

Is that a new rule, roses, that you've just made up, activist grannies not allowed?
What about grannyactivist?

Another activist message ellenoo

Did you support the strikes in 1979, Annie?

no chance Maizie? With the promise of giving more power back to unions ?

Because some seem to have forgotten how thatcher came to power and stayed in power

No chance of the public service unions bringing the country to its knees today. So what is the problem?

As a lifelong Labour person did you not support the strikes in 1979, Annie?

Do you think these should be key manifesto promises?

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/publications/general-election-2017-five-key-manifesto-promises

True, ellenoo.
Whoever wrote it missed out about the homeless increase under the Tory government.

www.24housing.co.uk/news/well-over-1000-first-time-rough-sleepers-in-london-since-january/

Who would you trust to solve this problem, an increase of over a thousand first time homeless in London.

thought this appropriate for this thread...

www.facebook.com/OpenBritain/videos/1596568893716762/

The government guide to diplomacy.

You are right roses. DA should have known and not made a pigs ear of it. Such a pity she is human rather the new S & S model robot.

Exactly......if only Dianne Abbott had admitted that the other day!
However Abbott is shadow home sec. and Margo James isn't in the Ministerial position to know the answer Neil asked her.

Just heard a great answer as I catch up with the Daily Politics. "I am not going to answer a question to which I do not know the answer". Oh for more politicians like that! (Margo(?)James).

Because some seem to have forgotten how thatcher came to power and stayed in power

Goodness, fighting for a 5% pay increase. It sounds unbelievable now!

Mind you, the inflation rate happened to be 13% at the time. Which makes 5% look quite modest..

Why did you post that link, Annie?

news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/january/22/newsid_2506000/2506715.stm

Interesting to see that point of view Eloethan. I think the direction of travel of both the leadership of the LP and of the Cons is very worrying but what is a truth is that May has called this election specifically - as she told us - to give her more power to follow her parties more extreme direction.

Good Lord - that is certainly very extreme Fitzy. As May is likely to get in and we are really only talking about keeping her majority as low as possible (to mitigate her wish to dictate) I think this is way over the top.

Do you want someone on the far left or the far right? I actually don't want either and there must be others feeling that way - hence the chat on this thread. Personally, at this point, the Capitalist right is more frightening for me.

Supporters of the Conservatives might ponder whether they be so comfortable about this government's position regarding their alliances:

April 2017 Guardian:

"Liam Fox’s declaration of “shared values” with Rodrigo Duterte, the Philippines leader whose war on drugs has killed 7,000 people, has prompted dismay about the government’s approach to human rights as it seeks post-Brexit trade deals.........

I have an acquaintance who is from the Philippines and she has just returned from visiting her family. She says the situation is appalling, with people who are deemed
- without trial - to be small time drug dealers and drug users being "executed" on the streets, thanks to the encouragement of Duterte.

"As Fox visited the Philippines, Theresa May was in Saudi Arabia as part of a wider government effort to shore up the UK’s trading position after Brexit. Speaking to the BBC, she refused to criticise the government’s bombardment of Yemen, which is estimated to have killed more than 10,000 civilians and displaced more than 3 million people."

Thank you for the link Fitzy, my reasons too for fearing a vote for Corbyn

Project Fear, Fitzy.
Conservatives support some pretty dodgy regimes/ideas too.
It all really depends on whether you would chose a leftwing dictatorship or a rightwing dictatorship and how long either might take to be realised. Personally I think we're in far greater danger from the right than from the left at present.

Dictatorship is already there under May.