Voting quandry

annie The Conservatives also put their own chosen candidates into empty seats. It's happened in my constituency. One of the hopefuls was an aide to T May (but involved in the election expenses fraud) and the other (the one who was chosen) was the Conservative Deputy leader of Greater London. This is a safe Conservative seat, so she has a job for life and I wouldn't be surprised to see her on the front benches within a couple of years. Our last MP was here for nearly 40 years and was quite moderate. He campaigned for Remain.

She's a hardline supporter of Leave (this area was almost 50/50) and believes in other right-wing Conservative policies. She's only in her mid 30s and is obviously very career-orientated. She won't be rocking the Theresa May boat. The local Conservative Party is not happy that it wasn't allowed to vote for a local person. It was given a list of three names and told to choose one.

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It may or may not be rude to ask how a poster will vote, but it would certainly be rude to keep on asking.

No use Eleothan, you can keep trying to defend a rude question, the question was - who are you voting for? Your waffle is boring sorry.

Oh pleeease. Of course it's not rude to ask someone who how they voted. That is why the phrase "that's between me and the ballot box" came about. Really Annie, that was all you had to say.

Welsh Labour has launched the election campaign, it is centred on Carwyn, no mention of Corbyn.

A poll released today gives the Tories quite a lead over labour, we are in danger of a Tory majority and the loss of some good Welsh MP's.

So I will be supporting and working for Welsh Labour

I think we need to contact "The Sopranos".

I hsve heard they hive a plan Beam, yes a cunning plan, get supporters into the PLP , get as many of their supporters to stand at bi elections, two in the short list for Liverpool Walton are an aide to Len McClusky and an aide to Corbyn, a very safe labour seat. They are also hoping some returned MP's will stand down I'd Corbyn doesn't, snother five years of him! and there will be more bi elections and they can put up more of their supporters . I doubt Corbyn will stand down, he is there to change the party into his image

ab. Terrifying article in the Times to-day, suggesting that Corbin and his crew will not go without a fight. He thrives on dissent and will use what proportion he has of the vote to insist he has a big enough mandate to Oppose. Labour needs another Tony Blair to win. But who is coming up the ranks, as it were?
If they should ever remake "Catweazle" Corbyn would have a nice little job.

I agree Beam,

I think May does care, just my opinion based on her upbringing and my many years spent in the company of conservative Christians . I have never been able to understand their thinking but I do know they care

Labour's woes are self-inflicted. It's not so much the Conservatives winning as Labour losing. Put your own house in order before trying to put a Country to rights, I say to them.

It was the opposition which wanted to stir something up.

I think that the word 'opposition' gives the clue to their purpose in life

Sometimes, the more a person cares, the more they can be difficult, because they don't do compromises, which maybe is very commendable, but doesn't always make for a good "one nation" politician.

Personally, I don't think Theresa May does care. I think she's just "bloody difficult" and stubborn, but maybe just my opinion.

It's what PM's do, always have

So now there’s only one way Theresa May can get the mandate she craves and protect the party she has served: she must call an immediate general election.
The Independent - 11th July 2016

She couldn't have been that bothered if she waited 9 months before doing so. And said several times in the interim that there was no way she was calling a General Election. Sorry, the 'she needs a personal mandate' theory doesn't add up for me.

She's calling it because she is riding high in the polls and sees an opportunity to utterly demolish Labour.

You can care deeply about something, be generally pragmatic but still be bloody difficult occasionally.

Brown wasn't a bloody difficult man, he couldn't do false , yes frustration could cause an eruption but only because he cared deeply

It was the opposition which wanted to stir something up.
Much like now then

Have just read the whole article, which confirmed what I remembered.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7141279.stm

Brown's missing the signing wasn't really such a big deal and he did send David Miliband (then Foreign Secretary). It was the opposition which wanted to stir something up.

PS. Anecdotal evidence suggests Brown was a "bloody difficult man". Shame he didn't realise he could have worn it as a badge of pride!

Leaving aside the question of whether or not May was handling Brexit 'expertly' there was absolutely no need for this general election. She had a majority, she had no problems with Parliament.

I do remember all the controversy over whether or not Gordon Brown had a mandate though and remember that Theresa May was critical of the fact that he did not go to the country but took over the position of Prime Minister. Perhaps she is mindful of that fact too (or perhaps was reminded of it by advisers?).

But when a PM-in-waiting is handed the job on a platter – even in the most spectacularly convoluted leadership contest modern politics has ever witnessed – and then fails, it is always the fault of the party. That is the lesson from the demise of Brown. So now there’s only one way Theresa May can get the mandate she craves and protect the party she has served: she must call an immediate general election.
The Independent - 11th July 2016

Gordon Brown seemed to be very reluctant to sign the Lisbon Treaty too - why?

UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown has belatedly signed the EU reform treaty, having missed a ceremony attended by leaders of the 26 other member states.
BBC news 13th December 2007

Perhaps he was just a 'bloody difficult man'.

And it is Eleothan who is keeping it going not me I suggest you soeak directly to her

May have been acceptable to you Mauzie but it was not to me

It wasn't a 'rude' question, ab. It was just a question.
Why don't you just reply "I'm not telling you" and end at least one strand of this tedious feud.

No use Eleothan, you can keep trying to defend a rude question, the question was - who are you voting for? Your waffle is boring sorry.

anniebach I have lived in Wembley, Romford, Colchester, Horsham, Blackburn and East London and my experience of canvassers from all parties is as I described - i.e. their main objective is to find out who you are voting for.

According to Wikipedia, canvassing: "is used by political parties and issue groups to identify supporters, persuade the undecided and add voters to the voters list through voter registration, and it is central to get out the vote"

In my experience if I give a non-committal answer to "Can we rely on your support", the canvasser asks more questions to try and identify my allegiances. They generally carry a list with them and make a note of your response on it.