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Should I vote Labour

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whitewave Tue 25-Apr-17 13:05:46

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Statement of intent not the manifesto

1. Reverse the cut in corporation tax saving £64bn over the parliamentary cycle
2£10 minimum wage for all over 18s
3. 17% rise in unpaid farmers allowance (exrea £500 pa) - paid by reversing the Inheritance Tax cut.
4. Renationalise railways as the franchises lapse
5. Stop NHS private contracts. Phase out existing private contracts thus saving 3.5bn - 5bn at present going as profit to the private health companies
6. Build 200k homes a year. Half from the private sector and half council homes by giving LAs the power to borrow against assets. This should ensure that 12bn housing benefit bill at present going into private landlords pockets should gradually fall.
7. 4 new public holidays
8. End zero- hours jobs by guaranteeing a contract for all workers on regular hours.
9 Ban any company from tendering for government contracts if they are based in an off shore tax haven and pay their CEO more tha £350k pa
10 stop the opening of new free schools and grammars
11 Stop sweetheart deLs between HMRC and bug corps. All large companies should publish their tax returns
12 Eradicate gender pay gap
13 cut business rates by £1.5bn
14 End the practice by large corps, of taking longer than the accepted 28 days to pay SMEs

durhamjen Sun 30-Apr-17 10:55:56

Vote Labour to save the NHS.

www.pulsetoday.co.uk/your-practice/practice-topics/education/60-of-gp-training-places-remain-unfilled-in-areas-of-england/20034336.article

There's a list at the bottom of the article showing where the vacancies are. 61% of GP training places still avaiable across the North East.
There is a fund to bring in GPs from EU countries like Lithuania, Bulgaria and Poland.

www.pulsetoday.co.uk/your-practice/practice-topics/education/nhs-looks-to-poland-spain-and-romania-to-find-new-gps/20032020.fullarticle

Anniebach Sun 30-Apr-17 10:53:53

Jen, I do not believe nurses go to food banks because they cannot afford to buy food. Qualified nurses salaries start at £21,600 pa,

Eloethan Sun 30-Apr-17 10:49:01

Elegran thatbags didn't write it - she said she found it. (As a matter of interest, thatbags, who wrote the string of insults you copied and where did you find it?).

durhamjen Sun 30-Apr-17 10:47:54

Annie, how you have changed. So sad. You should be up in arms at the idea of nurses going to food banks.

durhamjen Sun 30-Apr-17 10:46:26

www.independent.co.uk/voices/as-a-nurse-i-see-my-colleagues-go-to-food-banks-because-of-low-pay-without-corbyns-nhs-policies-our-a7209196.html

Just a bit of research, roses.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/2058212/nhs-nurses-forced-to-go-to-food-banks-and-take-out-payday-loans-to-make-ends-meet/

rosesarered Sun 30-Apr-17 10:37:43

GGM2 asking posters to produce their essay or they will be caned grin is tantamount to your 'challenges' so don't be surprised that nobody will oblige you.

Anniebach Sun 30-Apr-17 10:36:35

I do not believe nurses use food banks because their wages are too low, what rubbish.

rosesarered Sun 30-Apr-17 10:33:51

I thought that was possibly the most ridiculous thing that Marr has ever said.
Nurses going to food banks! Since we have a nurse in the family I know how well they are paid. There may be some nurses ( as well as those doing other jobs) using a food bank because they have got themselves into massive retail credit debt/other circumstances etc but it is not the norm.People doing lower paid jobs such as cleaning or shop work were not mentioned as needing food banks.....why not?TMay should have pulled him up on that one, but no doubt preferred to look into it herself later.Anybody can find themselves for all sorts of reasons being hard up and living on beans and toast ( have done it myself in the past) but unless you can produce figures ( high ones) that nurses can't afford to eat through no fault of their own then it's pretty unbelievable.
So, are these nurses from EU countries or other poor countries, are they sending most of their salary back home etc etc.

durhamjen Sun 30-Apr-17 10:20:19

I watched May on Andrew Marr, and I think she might have lost a few thousand votes to Labour, when he was asking her what about nurses who have to go to food banks at the end of the week. She had no answer to that other than get out of welfare by working more.

GracesGranMK2 Sun 30-Apr-17 10:14:35

If you genuinely interpret the comment from Thatbags as evidence that -
a) she is therefore a Tory supporter
and b) she could not manage to write a brilliant article in response to the "challenge" -(purely as an exercise in rhetoric, whether or not she believed a word of what she wrote)
- then you are proving true what she has quoted.

Thatbags was certainly not identified specifically; the challange was general. No one was asked to write a 'brilliant article' Elegran - where did that come from. I think our eight year old could write to say why her swimming club is a good thing without denigrating the (say) netball club and the
players in the netball club. Although, like the number of Tory party supporters on here perhaps they are finding it is difficult to say anything good when there is nothing good to say - or at least they haven't yet told us what that is.

durhamjen Sun 30-Apr-17 10:12:52

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Anniebach Sun 30-Apr-17 10:12:27

Angry voice, Budgie, voxpox , they just keep coming and it take so much more time to wizz past them to find a post with the opinions of a GN member

thatbags Sun 30-Apr-17 10:08:50

Thank you, dj, very sweet of you because I don't read anything but the Times, do I?

Anniebach Sun 30-Apr-17 10:08:39

So obvious - older voters are voting Tory, young voters are voting Labour

Older voters have the knowledge of the danger of communism , young voters have no idea,

rosesarered Sun 30-Apr-17 10:08:24

I think I have read enough from 'another angry voice' if the list that GGM2 put on this thread ( or the Conservative thread?) is anything to go on.

durhamjen Sun 30-Apr-17 09:59:03

Reasons to vote Labour and why you will not read them in the Times.

anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/theresa-may-and-british-propaganda.html

thatbags Sun 30-Apr-17 09:51:41

Being able to insult what one finds disgusting is what free speech is for.

thatbags Sun 30-Apr-17 09:49:55

You can (will) call it insults whatever I say, eloethan, so I'll agree with you. It's an insult, several insults even, directed at some prevalent attitudes on some GN threads. If attitudes are people then the quote is insulting to people who hold and display those attitudes.

I make no apology for being insulting about attitudes that I find reprehensible. I make no apology for repeating insulting phrases about attitudes and, if you like, the people who show such attitudes anywhere, not just on GN. If someone can tell me a better way to get across my disgust at such attitudes, a non-insulting way, then I'm all ears to learn. Fire away.

But I still think such crap attitudes need to be insulted. This is the right use of what some people choose to call insulting language as far as I'm concerned.

Just for info, it was a lifelong Labour voter (but not someone I know personally) who wrote it.

durhamjen Sun 30-Apr-17 09:45:41

This is why you should vote Labour.

anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/how-many-of-jeremy-corbyns-policies-do.html

Elegran Sun 30-Apr-17 09:30:28

And hinting piss-takingly at the possible " "suffocating 'tolerance', stifling certitude, implacable self-righteousness, totalitarian 'liberality', and mimsy authoritarianism" of "a very few posters" comes somewhere second to what is frequently heard from those left-wing extremists who condemn as evil "anyone who disagrees with them in a the smallest degree, as right-wing, unreasonable and ignorant." That venom embraces the whole of the GN members and the electorate who vote differently, not just "a few" bitter posters

Elegran Sun 30-Apr-17 09:21:35

If you genuinely interpret the comment from Thatbags as evidence that -
a) she is therefore a Tory supporter
and b) she could not manage to write a brilliant article in response to the "challenge" -(purely as an exercise in rhetoric, whether or not she believed a word of what she wrote)

- then you are proving true what she has quoted.

Eloethan Sun 30-Apr-17 09:20:35

That's the get out clause is it - I didn't write it so it's not directed at anyone here. Well, bags herself DID direct it at people on Gransnet:

"Found a nice, accurate, and beautifully piss-taking description of what happens on GN political threads...... [insults follow] ..... of a very few posters ..."

GracesGranMK2 Sun 30-Apr-17 09:16:22

No where? I thought so. Just the usual name calling of those who do not agree with you.

GracesGranMK2 Sun 30-Apr-17 09:12:52

What makes you ask that AB?

Anniebach Sun 30-Apr-17 09:12:06

I wonder if GN has been infiltrated by Momentum activists ?

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