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whitewave Tue 25-Apr-17 13:05:46

This has been donated by nikkiw

Statement of intent not the manifesto

1. Reverse the cut in corporation tax saving £64bn over the parliamentary cycle
2£10 minimum wage for all over 18s
3. 17% rise in unpaid farmers allowance (exrea £500 pa) - paid by reversing the Inheritance Tax cut.
4. Renationalise railways as the franchises lapse
5. Stop NHS private contracts. Phase out existing private contracts thus saving 3.5bn - 5bn at present going as profit to the private health companies
6. Build 200k homes a year. Half from the private sector and half council homes by giving LAs the power to borrow against assets. This should ensure that 12bn housing benefit bill at present going into private landlords pockets should gradually fall.
7. 4 new public holidays
8. End zero- hours jobs by guaranteeing a contract for all workers on regular hours.
9 Ban any company from tendering for government contracts if they are based in an off shore tax haven and pay their CEO more tha £350k pa
10 stop the opening of new free schools and grammars
11 Stop sweetheart deLs between HMRC and bug corps. All large companies should publish their tax returns
12 Eradicate gender pay gap
13 cut business rates by £1.5bn
14 End the practice by large corps, of taking longer than the accepted 28 days to pay SMEs

daphnedill Thu 11-May-17 15:33:17

The 2015 Labour Party manifesto had something called the "Budget Responsibility Lock", which is the same thing as a balanced budget. It's called something else in the leaked draft manifesto (can't remember what), but it's the same thing.

The Resolution Foundation (a centre right think tank) has published a pre-election briefing:

www.resolutionfoundation.org/publications/the-deficit-the-election-forgot-pre-election-briefing-on-the-main-parties-fiscal-positions/

This only a draft. AFAIK none of the parties has published a final manifesto.

Anniebach Thu 11-May-17 15:26:10

There seems to be so many promises in this manifesto there will be something to please everyone,

Why did the unions have to be involved in this mornings meeting

gillybob Thu 11-May-17 15:01:31

I quite enjoy good (witty) sarcasm.

Trouble is, it often isn't.

gillybob Thu 11-May-17 15:00:13

Lets face it.

Re-nationalising the railways and post office is gonna be a couple of quid innit?

gillybob Thu 11-May-17 14:58:37

confused I don't think there are any real costings GGM2

Anyway, who cares? When you are JC it seems that those dirty words like "money" and "costs" don't come need to come into it.

Ana Thu 11-May-17 14:55:50

Oh gillybob - d'you think GGMk2 could possibly be being sarcastic? grin

GracesGranMK2 Thu 11-May-17 14:53:29

Where did you read the costings gillybob? I didn't know they had been published? Can we have the real figures please. I am not a Labour supporter but I would like the facts so if you have them - please share.

Ana Thu 11-May-17 14:50:35

So why not wait until the publication of the ACTUAL manifesto before you start getting carried away with excitement, whitewave...?

Ana Thu 11-May-17 14:49:24

Ha, ha yes - so right gillybob!

gillybob Thu 11-May-17 14:43:59

And of course there's the small matter of costing...

What's a few Billion Ana as long as we are all Unite(d). wink

whitewave Thu 11-May-17 14:39:26

annie I cantgrin

GracesGranMK2 Thu 11-May-17 14:35:27

Which will come out with the ACTUAL publication of the ACTUAL manifesto Ana ... as I am quite sure you ACTUALLY know.

Ana Thu 11-May-17 14:32:59

And of course there's the small matter of costing...

Anniebach Thu 11-May-17 14:21:50

Whitewave how can you say everyone is pleased with it ? Has everyone read it ? Or do you mean everyone in Twitter and not in this forum?

whitewave Thu 11-May-17 13:34:58

So I had intended to post all manifestos as published. Not sure whether to post this leaked one as everyone is so pleased with it.

angelab Thu 11-May-17 13:29:08

That's great! I'm hoping that labour is rallying young people, I get the impression they're much more on the ball than CP as regards social media.

whitewave Thu 11-May-17 13:18:36

Twitter has gone into overdrive saying how brilliant the manifesto is. Haven't found a negative comment yet.

daphnedill Thu 11-May-17 13:03:18

So you care about benefit cuts and building more houses? Both of those are addressed in Labour's leaked manifesto.

The manifesto supports Trident, against Corbyn's own belief.

angelab Thu 11-May-17 12:58:24

annie those things may be annoying, but there's a whole lot more to LP policies than that, can you not overlook those things? Surely whatever things you dislike, as a labour person you must prefer even JC to the Conservatives? I don't expect them to win but it would certainly be good to have a proper left-leaning opposition for a change.

Anniebach Thu 11-May-17 12:43:59

I want to Whitewave but have tried and failed , there are few who will discuss the realities . Example I am against trident but have to accept there are so many who fear getting rid of it. I want a Labour government but accept there has to be compromise, we have to win votes in middle England . Only by winning an election can we help those I deeply care about .

So easy for those who post daily and attack me , I know poverty, I know depending on charity , I know reading my electric meter every evening to work out if I am keeping within what I can pay for. And to be constantly ridiculed by the Corbyn fanatics has now become tiring.

I don't give a stuff about free music for all, I care about the nightmare the disabled are subjected to when their benefits are taken from them, not the nonsense about nurses using food banks. I care about the homeless not the blood cries for those who send their children to private schools paying for school dinners for all children some of whom have parents who have two cars in the drive and holiday in the sun, it's going to the extreme and corbynites are wound up with this awful vengeance seeking,

daphnedill Thu 11-May-17 12:22:59

That's what I was asking too, ww.

Forget all the internal shenanigans with in the LP for a moment. What would you like to see the ideal Labour Party proposing annie?

whitewave Thu 11-May-17 12:04:33

Not asking you to annie just asking you to argue for fundamental Labour policies that will help the poor, sick and homeless.

So equal opportunities, a strong health service and housing. You know all the arguments. I don't want to teach you suck eggs!!!

Anniebach Thu 11-May-17 11:55:30

Whitewave, may I correct you. Kinnock had to undo all the harm done by the far left, he did not harm the party, he worked so hard to build it back up after the 1983 disasterous election. Corbyn temporary? Foot was temporary and it took fourteen years to get labour electable again. So yes in my gut I do know what is right, to get labour into power we have to win votes from across the country not from just the north of England, the country will not vote for a far left government . If labour does win I will post and say I was wrong about the results, I will never say I was wrong about Corbyn.

gillybob Thu 11-May-17 11:52:55

Yes daphnedill It is one giant stinking, scam. These so called "training providers" are nothing more than brokers. They are paid by the government to find idiots companies like us to take the apprentices (saving the government paying them benefits) and they are paid again by idiots companies like us (currently £2,500 per year). In return for this money they send someone into us a couple of times a year with a sheet of paper who then ticks boxes to "prove" that the apprentice has leaned what he or she is supposed to. We could tell them anything. they have no way of knowing.

The latest is...... that the training provider said they can sign off our apprentice early in return for a large fee. Yeah right. It stinks.

daphnedill Thu 11-May-17 11:49:38

I've just read the leaked LP manifesto and, for the life of me, I can't see anything "communist" in it.

The Resolution Foundation (a centre right think tank,so can't be accused of left-wing bias) has just compared the fiscal responsibility of the known plans by the Labour and Conservative Parties.

Their conclusion is that they are very similar, but the difference is where spending would be targeted and cuts made. Their conclusion is that the idea that Labour Party plans are "chaotic" and irresponsible isn't true.

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