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What can TM be thinking of?

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Luckygirl Wed 03-May-17 19:25:02

Sigh and double sigh.

Not content with taking us into an undemocratic referendum when we are all asked to vote on something where no-one could have a clear picture of the options, the conservatives now have a leader who stands and loudly slags off those with whom we need to negotiate for the secure future of the country. All thoroughly irresponsible - it just makes me want to despair.

MargaretX Thu 04-May-17 20:17:43

Always the same statements about Juncker being not elected.
Oringinally he must have been and is now doing a job that many are glad they don't have to do. I read in our German paper that Davies is considered by the Eu to be incompetent. At least you can't call Juncker that!
He is not at his best speaking English. I have metioned that before.
As for them being a lot of men not used to a strong women then they have forgotten Angela Merkel
The EU men have had to get used to her yet she keeps her cool and is always well mannered.

I think a lot will settle when the French election is over when Macron has won(hopefully)

Apparently a lot of money has gone into bricks and mortar and civil servants belonging to the EU and this money is now invested and cannot be repaid to the Uk just because they have decided to leave.

daphnedill Thu 04-May-17 19:44:22

May was right first time. Brexit is going to be a disaster for the UK.

daphnedill Thu 04-May-17 19:40:14

I don't think so, sunseeker. She's putting Number 1 first and the back benchers are getting to her.

That's why local constituencies haven't been allowed to select their own candidates for vacancies. They had a list imposed from Conservative HQ.

daphnedill Thu 04-May-17 19:38:38

EITHER

She doesn't believe in what she's doing, which could explain why she's playing "hard";

OR

She's a downright liar and will say what she thinks is in her interests on the day.

sunseeker Thu 04-May-17 19:36:00

As far as I am aware she has never denied she wanted to stay in the EU however, as PM she is respecting the result of the referendum and is intent on carrying through with Brexit.

daphnedill Thu 04-May-17 19:35:55

Have you watched the video?

I agree with you.

Welshwife Thu 04-May-17 19:27:05

The answer to your last question DD is NO!!!

daphnedill Thu 04-May-17 19:20:12

Is this what Theresa May really thinks about Brexit?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL-6kBDkgxo

What changed her mind?

Is it possible to believe anything she says?

Welshwife Thu 04-May-17 18:59:01

I only asked about Beaurocrats - did write an answer to your reply but can't see it - have been out to the GP so not at my best!

nigglynellie Thu 04-May-17 17:40:50

Truth to tell I expect much more is going on behind the scenes than we will ever know about! It's well known that the government of the day often liaise with opposition parties on serious issues. What you see, is not necessarily what you get either here or in the EU. Public consumption is often contrived.

Jane10 Thu 04-May-17 17:39:16

In theory Keir Starmer might be OK but he's only been an MP for 2 years. He should be involved in a team approach to the Brexit negotiations though. We'll need to use all the experience and talent we can find. I always rated Vince Cable but don't think he could lead.

durhamjen Thu 04-May-17 17:22:51

Having spent five years as the DPP, and having conducted cases in the ECHR, I think Keir Starmer is probably uniquely qualified to negotiate with the EU, and will be much better than May.
He has written books on human rights law.
Or maybe he's one of those experts that nobody trusts.

durhamjen Thu 04-May-17 17:17:17

I like that roses, T May and the Conservatives (a lot of them) voted to remain; it's the people in the UK who wanted to leave.

What are you saying about Conservatives?

GracesGranMK2 Thu 04-May-17 17:04:34

So what if it's what you describe as chauvinism niggly - although that seems a strange description. So what if it's any name you care to call it. No one is going to make it easier for us and many will want to make it worse and we asked for it to be this way.

It would be quite a turn around if we stayed but it isn't impossible just improbable.

nigglynellie Thu 04-May-17 16:57:53

And that Tim Farron and Nick Clegg respected the result!! Those two would certainly roll over and beg forgiveness for our foolish ways, accept any punishment and totally demean themselves and us. Mrs May hasn't lost any respect around here, in fact people see her as our only hope for a settlement. Let's face it, there's not much choice if any!

Ana Thu 04-May-17 16:47:59

I thought they'd voted NOT to 'stay put' in the EU referendum.

nigglynellie Thu 04-May-17 16:47:48

It would astronomical to stay, the next few years could be financially tricky for the EU. Poor Greece and their financial woes are beginning to rear again just for starters!
Yes, I detect overtones of chauvinism, in this majority boys club particularly under these circumstances. Who do you suggest as a strong man roses?!!!!

ninny Thu 04-May-17 16:46:47

Varian you must be joking. That pair would sell us down the swanny.

varian Thu 04-May-17 16:46:10

What we really need is some way of mitigating the damage if the British people are not allowed to decide to stay put.

James2451 Thu 04-May-17 16:45:50

David Miliband should be encouraged to return to politics, he was an excellent foreign secretary and would make a great leader for the Labour Party.

varian Thu 04-May-17 16:43:40

Tim Farron and /or Nick Clegg to name just two. I don't think TM has a grasp of it all and she has lost a lot of respect in the past months.

Jane10 Thu 04-May-17 16:37:53

Can anyone name UK politician who would be a better person to lead us into Brexit negotiations? Anyone who commands respect and has a good grasp of the complexities of it all? I can only think of Theresa May. Any suggestions and the basis for them?

Ana Thu 04-May-17 16:27:02

But they'll carry on anyway roses...

angelab Thu 04-May-17 16:24:30

nellie what about the astronomical cost likely to be needed to leave the EU?

rosesarered Thu 04-May-17 16:23:26

This divorce' cannot be treated like a domestic divorce, the anology isn't right.
T May and the Conservatives ( a lot of them) wanted to Remain in the EU and try and change it ( as does France, you would think the EU would get the message about changing and actually do something about it). It's the people in the UK who wanted to Leave.The EU have started off badly by leaking detrimental things, and really it could be a good move by T May to stand up to them at this particular time.
The EU is bound to be annoyed that we are leaving, we bring a vast amount of money into it, and the UK leaving isn't just the same as say Poland deciding to go.
There do seem to be a lot of inflated egos in Brussels and maybe a hint of sexism as well ( would they really be the same in dealing with a strong male PM I wonder)
Not Corbyn I hasten to add ( he comes under the heading of weak male leader).
There's going to be so much wheeling and dealing in the next two years though, so I don't think anyone should get too hung up on the rhetoric.