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What can TM be thinking of?

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Luckygirl Wed 03-May-17 19:25:02

Sigh and double sigh.

Not content with taking us into an undemocratic referendum when we are all asked to vote on something where no-one could have a clear picture of the options, the conservatives now have a leader who stands and loudly slags off those with whom we need to negotiate for the secure future of the country. All thoroughly irresponsible - it just makes me want to despair.

Welshwife Thu 18-May-17 07:59:14

I thought your section of the poem was very apt DD - describes Brexit very well really.!

Anya Thu 18-May-17 06:57:39

And Michael Gove!

JessM Thu 18-May-17 06:52:54

My mother always used to say that when a female politician starts to wobble on her perch, the men will turn on her with far more venom than if she had been a man. Her prediction proved correct. We certainly saw it with Thatcher and Edwina C.

dbDB77 Wed 17-May-17 08:43:03

"... its their future that the over 65s are throwing away"
durhamjen - you've made my point for me - another divisive comment - setting the young against the old. Sad & bitter.

durhamjen Wed 17-May-17 07:57:47

18-25 year olds still have a vote, if they have signed up to it.
That's all the poster is suggesting they do.
My 18-25 year old grandchildren are very politically aware, more so than a lot of grown ups I know.

I would hope that all over 25s are telling the younger ones to go and vote as its their future that the over 65s are throwing away.

stillaliveandkicking Wed 17-May-17 00:47:29

Devoted worshippers? Brutus? You clearly don't like a smart woman then dahnedill. She's pretty cool from where I'm sitting for now.

daphnedill Wed 17-May-17 00:43:47

May will go the same way Thatcher did. She called the election to give herself a bigger personal mandate by parachuting loyal and devoted worshippers into vacant seats and to conduct a "presidential" campaign. All is not well within the Conservative Party. It will be interesting to see who takes on the role of Brutus.

stillaliveandkicking Wed 17-May-17 00:30:41

I tend to disagree with your analogy daph. 18 to 25 year olds have not lived yet really so its pretty mute. I prefer to go with those who have the wisdom of years that have actually "seen" things.

daphnedill Wed 17-May-17 00:27:49

Not really dbDB77. It's a fact that there are still 18-25 year olds who aren't registered to vote. They're at a disadvantage anyway, because there are far more 65+ year olds than 18-15 year olds, but if they don't vote,they can't really complain when the government "buys" votes with sweeteners to over 65 year olds, for which the young have to pay.

dbDB77 Tue 16-May-17 23:52:55

durhamjen - Oh dear - what a shame to see such a divisive poster - setting the young against the old.
What a sad example of current politics - so bitter.

stillaliveandkicking Tue 16-May-17 23:41:18

Have no idea what you're on about dahnedill. The EU was post war surely and doesn't work anymore. Who would you put in May's place then? You come up with a more "solid" person.

daphnedill Tue 16-May-17 23:37:58

"Forward" isn't always the best way,unless there's a goal.

"Forward, the Light Brigade!"
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho' the soldier knew
Someone had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

stillaliveandkicking Tue 16-May-17 23:29:55

May is the one to lead us "forward" not back.

durhamjen Sun 14-May-17 17:23:24

To pass on. From taxresearch.

JessM Thu 11-May-17 13:15:51

Oh dear.

durhamjen Wed 10-May-17 22:57:57

I've just been sent this. Quite weird that people do not know what happens at a general election. It's not that long since we had one.

mysociety.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=53d0d2026dea615ed488a8834&id=8802bf5c65&e=982749024a

They have been asked if people can use their votes in the next constituency to the one they live in.

JessM Tue 09-May-17 06:52:48

Fanfare of trumpets. We heard her say "Vote for Me" the other day. She's obviously doing well with the focus groups. Conservative central office is reducing this election to a May versus Corbyn celebrity knock-out final.
And so carried away are they that they's changed the name of the party to.... drumroll and fanfare... "Theresa May's Team"

www.thecanary.co/2017/05/08/theresa-may-just-tried-to-rebrand-the-conservative-party-but-its-already-biting-her-in-the-arse/

durhamjen Mon 08-May-17 09:07:26

www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/liverpool-corbyn-banner-southampton-kop-anfield-a7722521.html

durhamjen Mon 08-May-17 09:02:22

Lovely, Jess. He's so good with kids.

Your second link asked me if I really wanted to go to Buzzfeed! Me!

nigglynellie Mon 08-May-17 07:01:32

That cuts BOTH ways, not just one!

JessM Mon 08-May-17 06:45:25

Or this
www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjeoLzcy9_TAhUFZ1AKHecdAyEQjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.buzzfeed.com%2Fmatthewchampion%2Fseumas-im-not-sure-this-is-a-great-idea-either&psig=AFQjCNHaWWr8y6Psqt9LNGVrZBCfY-yheQ&ust=1494308616179458

A challenge to TM - get down on the floor in your leather trousers, and read I'm Going on a Bear Hunt. I dare you.

JessM Mon 08-May-17 06:43:19

Sorry about the awful long link.
Not gawky.

JessM Mon 08-May-17 06:41:59

In contrast, a shot of Mr Natural www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fres.cloudinary.com%2Fjpress%2Fimage%2Ffetch%2Fw_700%2Cf_auto%2Car_3%3A2%2Cc_fill%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.lep.co.uk%2Fwebimage%2F1.8479299.1492075582!%2Fimage%2Fimage.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lep.co.uk%2Fyour-lancashire%2Fleyland%2Fcorbyn-pledges-free-school-meals-on-visit-to-leyland-1-8479268&docid=je0ACq6fsOOSmM&tbnid=ErxD0qYR0ngkBM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwi49qrgyt_TAhXOLVAKHX4-Am0QMwgtKAAwAA..i&w=700&h=467&client=safari&bih=726&biw=1102&q=jeremy%20corybyn%20school%20images&ved=0ahUKEwi49qrgyt_TAhXOLVAKHX4-Am0QMwgtKAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8

JessM Mon 08-May-17 06:39:28

Not factoids, commentary on something that is glaringly obvious. My own original observations.
Politicians do not run their own campaigns. There will be a team running the campaign and a campaign manager. They will have lots of data analysts and other specialists analysing all kinds of information, including these days, social media. They will have spreadsheets analysing how many clicks one Facebook advert gets compared to another. They obviously have decided that strong and stable are good words (Cameron used them before) and have just decided that they want to focus on TM. In the last couple of days she's started asking people to vote for her not the party. Unusual but nothing accidental about that whatsoever.
As to training, even board members of companies have extensive media training these days - how to cope with a radio interview etc. I used to work in a water company and remember being around when they had hired a well known BBC TV interviewer to give them grilling on the third day of a course. Cameron and May will have been put through multiple sessions of mock TV debates and other key situations. It was glaringly apparent that Cameron wanted to go on TV but his campaign team didn't because he had not come up to the required standard. And it paid off.
Keeping May away from the public for same reason. One or two tentative shots of carefully selected people sitting around a table with her.

durhamjen Mon 08-May-17 00:22:36

Just skimmed it, Gracesgran, but the bit about the inflow of labour needing to be relaxed stood out.

Whoops!
They are even talking about access to labour from Eastern European countries for smooth business operations.

Brexiteers are not going to like that.

"The European labour market could suffer great turmoil if workers who are nationals of either the UK or EU Member States could not freely travel between and stay in the UK and Continental Europe."