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whitewave Fri 12-May-17 11:40:03

That's a bum, can anyone cut and paste or something the manifesto that took me blood sweat and tears to do this morning please!!!???

Anniebach Sun 14-May-17 17:27:26

Rosesarered, you are speaking of the pacifist who supported the IRA and called Hamas his friends - who has now decided he isn't a pacifist

Anniebach Sun 14-May-17 17:22:54

Never counted them, strange you ask a question about anything to do with Wales after your dismissal of the country yesterday dj,

durhamjen Sun 14-May-17 17:15:50

How many Carwyn Jones's are there in Wales?

rosesarered Sun 14-May-17 17:00:37

Did anybody see Marr this morning, and the clip of film showing Corbyn ranting and raving about NATO ( just a few years ago)
Now we are expected to believe that this man of principle has changed his mind and rather likes NATO!

durhamjen Sun 14-May-17 16:51:59

Quite calm, thank you very much.
Who else wants to attack the Tory party?

Anniebach Sun 14-May-17 16:29:15

I am not sure if I find it amusing or very sad that you believe May sits for hours at her desk stuffing and addressing envelopes to the public, silly mistake on her part if sge does, Jones is such an unusual surname in Wales.

You really need to calm down dj. Your attempts to attack the Tory party are pathetic, the letter was amusing, end of.

durhamjen Sun 14-May-17 16:05:43

What do you think of May asking Carwyn Jones for his support and his vote?

Anniebach Sun 14-May-17 14:03:43

varian, depends, not a lot I can say if they put the phone down or shut the door .

If they choose to talk it is important to speak of their Welsh Labour MP and how important it is that they vote for him/her , it is proving to be damn hard work this time, and canvassing is never easy going ? I think possibly a low turn out .

I do not say - I agree, he is a lying, manipulating man, but I want to

varian Sun 14-May-17 13:33:20

After all you've posted about Jeremy Corbyn, Annie, I wonder what you say to voters who feel like you do and say when you're canvassing "I've always voted Labour but I can't stand Corbyn so I won't vote Labour as long as he's the leader".

Anniebach Sun 14-May-17 12:44:15

dj, I have been a Labour Party member for over fifty years, I know which party I dupport, I am not a johnnie come lately who hop back and fore from one party to another

nigglynellie Sun 14-May-17 12:43:53

Oh no maizieD! What an admission! You'll get crucified on here!! grin

Anniebach Sun 14-May-17 12:40:02

Daphne,you said -why not stop farming in some areas where it's not profitable

durhamjen Sun 14-May-17 12:26:31

North East has above average unemployment, below average wages, and above average numbers of zero hours contracts.

Doesn't add up, does it?

Shouldn't Fallon and May have got together?
Just been said that the Tories haven't said how they would finance the new housing. They can't stop the councils from raising tax and then tell them to build more houses. Something else on the back of an envelope.

MaizieD Sun 14-May-17 12:06:45

New houses built in my part of the world don't exactly sell like hot cakes because there aren't the jobs here. Though they are a bit cheaper than in, say, Essex...

If we build over all our fields, dd what are we going to do when we can't afford to import food any more (bless Brexit)?wink

As I see it, the biggest problem is that there is plenty of land available but it's in the wrong place. If we could just stop the South East sucking in people and resources from the rest of the country and share the jobs around a bit we might have less problem in finding land to build on...

And, I'm a NIMBY; I moved to a semi rural area because I didn't want to live surrounded by other people's houses.

daphnedill Sun 14-May-17 12:00:07

What on earth are you going on about annie?

The government and councils don't need to force anybody to sell valuable land. They'll volunteer to do it themselves, if they know planning permission will be granted.

daphnedill Sun 14-May-17 11:57:33

Sorry! Forget that! I meant the Spring statement (or whatever it's called). Some of the Autumn statement has been abandoned, including the promise to allow online retailers a £1000 tax free allowance.

Anniebach Sun 14-May-17 11:57:20

So the government chooses who should be allowed to keep their farms and who should be forced to sell? mmmmmm, everyone government controlled , you will live and work where we say

daphnedill Sun 14-May-17 11:52:47

Errrmmm...the Autumn Staement hasn't been signed off and most of it has been abandoned anyway.

daphnedill Sun 14-May-17 11:51:54

Why not stop farming in some areas, where it's not profitable and the land could be put to another purpose?

daphnedill Sun 14-May-17 11:50:38

I wouldn't dream of trying. There's no work for a start.

Why is it that some people seem to think that the countryside is reserved for a few who are fortunate to live there, while people in cities are homeless?

There are loads of fields where I live. They're green and, frankly, a bit boring. Farmers are overjoyed, if their fields are part of a plan to build housing. They sell the land for millions, retire to somewhere warm, where they don't have to get up at the crack of dawn and work in all weathers.

Anniebach Sun 14-May-17 11:45:16

Try building houses in the Welsh National parks where many farmers live

. So stop people farming to build houses ? And where is the work?

daphnedill Sun 14-May-17 11:35:18

No, because it won't be the government which pays for council housing. Local authorities pay for it by borrowing, which is actually a sensible thing to do at the moment, because interest rates are so low. As soon as the houses are built, the councils start to receive rent and can pay back their loans. Asset holders are queuing up to lend their money, especially to reliable borrowers, such as councils.

The debts will appear on local authority balance sheets, not the government's. The biggest problem is probably NIMBYism, which is why planning laws need to be changed. Once farmers stop receiving EU funding, they will also form a queue - to sell their land for development.

I expect Conservatives have been told not to admit to any spending, because it tarnishes their image. hmm

durhamjen Sun 14-May-17 11:31:39

Annie, you really need to decide which party you support.

durhamjen Sun 14-May-17 11:30:49

"Labour have seized on Michael Fallon’s failure to pledge any new money for housing during his interview with Andrew Marr.

Asked how the Conservatives’ “housing revolution” would be paid for, Fallon said: “The money is coming from the £1.4bn we earmarked for capital expenditure from the autumn statement. It is not new money.”

Shadow housing minister John Healey said Fallon admission proved there was no substance to the government’s housing plan.

He said: “There’s no commitment on the number of new affordable homes or on new funding.”

In a statement he added: “The number of government funded social rented homes being built has fallen to fewer than 1,000 last year from almost 40,000 under Labour in 2009-10."

The rest of Healey's statement.

MaizieD Sun 14-May-17 11:25:26

Michael Fallon committed no extra money for housing when on the Marr show today.

Theresa May has stolen that idea dj. She's promised to get more council houses built!

Struggling to reconcile those two statements!

Has Fallon spoken out of turn? Quoted from the secret Tory manifesto rather than the one full of things purloined from other parties which will eventually be presented to 'the people'?