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whitewave Fri 12-May-17 11:40:03

That's a bum, can anyone cut and paste or something the manifesto that took me blood sweat and tears to do this morning please!!!???

whitewave Fri 12-May-17 11:40:46

rose it is still worth reading that link though as it will apply to the Tories as well.

angelab Fri 12-May-17 11:54:37

ww is this what's going to take over from 'should I vote labour' as I see that's reached it's limit and no more messages can be posted?

Anniebach Fri 12-May-17 12:02:39

The title should be - The shrine of Corbyn.

durhamjen Fri 12-May-17 12:04:05

durhamjen Fri 12-May-17 12:06:02

Corbyn talking about Labour Foreign policy on BBC news channel now.


Labour supports the renewal of Trident.

Suspend the sale of arms to Saudi Arabia.

Committed to a two state solution in Israel-Palestine


1000000 houses -council and association houses every year for 5 years

Building private homes will become a national infrastructure priority.

4000 homes reserved for homeless.

durhamjen Fri 12-May-17 12:07:35


Scrap bedroom tax
Scrap the punitive sanctions regime and reinstate housing benefit for under 21s.
Repeal cuts in support to disabled people .


There appears to be no plans for serious reforms to the welfare system

Health/social care

£6bn extra pa raised by increasing the top 5% of earners and increasing tax on private health insurance.

18 week maximum wait
A&E 4hrs maximum wait
Scrap NHS pay gap.
Suspend hospital closures

£8bn into social care
£1bn immediately


The one area where extra cash really will be the answer
The BMA responded by saying the NHS needs 10bn not 6
Simply focusing on the top 5% is unlikely to bring in the money needed.

durhamjen Fri 12-May-17 12:11:42

Best of the rest

Fund burial fees for child burials

Plant 1 million native trees

Lower voting to 16

Free wifi in city centres and public transport

Laud inquiry into Orgreave, blacklisting and contaminated blood samples

Ban third party sale of puppies

How many votes do you think banning third party sale of puppies will get?
What about kittens?

durhamjen Fri 12-May-17 12:13:56


Repeal the Railways Act 1993.

"As franchises expire" avoids the problem of buying out existing contracts. There are currently 15 rail franchises in place. These will all eventually run out over between 7-22 years.

60% of public back the idea.


Energy companies will be taken back into public ownership with central government control of transmission and distribution grids. There will be at least one public ally owned energy company in every region of the U.K. That is locally run.

Promises that bills will remain below £1000 pa
Current variable tariff is £1086 - so a cap is not a big stretch for the providers

Royal Mail

Tories sold it for 3.3bn when its market value was 10bn.
Labour will take it back into public ownership.

67% of voters back the re-nationalisation of RMail

durhamjen Fri 12-May-17 12:17:20


Recognises that the economy needs immigration..

Wants to see fair and managed immigration. Scrap the £18500 income threshold that has lead to the separation of thousands of families.
Migrant impact fund to be established. This has been a long standing Labour commitment (Brown) The Tories say they will match it.

MaizieD Fri 12-May-17 12:18:08


I don't think that comment is fair. There was an interesting discussion being held at the end of the last thread with gillybob explaining the difficulties faced by their SME, which was very informative, and some points about re-nationalisation of the railways which I thought could be explored further.

There was also something about the validity of 'personal opinion'. I will give you your due and commend the fact that you are completely prepared to back up your opinion of Corbyn with reasons for it. It might get tedious at times but at least we know 'why' you feel the way you do. On the other hand, personal opinion without any explanation of what forms that opinion doesn't make for discussion. It's just a nothing as it offers nothing to discuss. That is, of course, my opinion...

durhamjen Fri 12-May-17 12:19:13

Tuition Fees

Education should be free. Labour will re-introduce maintenance grants for university students and abolish tuition fees


Accepts the referendum result.
Will make the single market and customs union priorities. Guarantee the rights of EU nationals. It will reject any "no deal" position, and drop the repeal bill , replacing it with a EU rights and protections bill to ensure no dimishment of existing rights to workers, environment, equality and consumers.

durhamjen Fri 12-May-17 12:20:59


Labour wants to discourage ticketing executive pay, short-terminism and unscrupulous behaviour, mentioning BHS.
There will be rewards for firms who pay fair wages and respect the environment.


More onerous regime for large companies , but more support for small companies and exporters, by a state backed insurance that guarantees payment even when foreign customers go bust.
Big companies considered important to the UK will be shielded from foreign takeovers.and protected from foreign firms dumping cheap goods in the U.K. But the directors will owe a duty to employees, suppliers and the environment, not just the shareholders.
In order to qualify to be able to tender for government contracts, they must show that they are respecting their workers rights, environment and paying their suppliers on time.
Controversially they must show that their best paid employee has earnings of not more than 20 times that if their lowest earner.
That will prevent Serco, Capita, G4S and other big outsourcing firms from running prisons, and IT systems without a drastic reduction in top pay.

MaizieD Fri 12-May-17 12:21:05

And here, for what it's worth, is what I found about the privatised rail system

"With regard to the 'cost' of renationalising the railways there's a nice video going round twitter, which I am unfortunately unable to work out how to share with you here, which explains how 'the taxpayer' is already subsidising the railways by a substantial amount and the Train Operating Companies ((TOCs) are creaming off profits without actually paying a realistic price for their franchises. Because, of course, a realistic price would include the costs of maintaining the infrastructure and purchasing rolling stock (they only lease it).

I think the video is a distillation of this report from 2013:

The Great Train Robbery; Rail Privatisation and After

The report was comissioned and part funded by the TUC. It was carried out by academics at the University of Manchester. I realise that the very fact that it was commissioned by the TUC will immediately cause some people to cry 'bias' but to do so, I think, casts an unwarranted slur on the probity of academics.

It is a long, but very easy read. I tried to find some quotes to paste here but as it is such a very complex subject there were no easy 'soundbite' passages.

I offer you this, though:

Ownership, however, is only one aspect of a complex system where demand for train travel is cyclical, where passenger fares cannot cover the costs of running, let along improving the network,and where contracts have done a poor job of protecting the public interest. As we will argue in chapter 7 of this report, British Rail’s record on operating efficiency was very creditable; but, before 1993, the public stereotype of British Rail’s organisation and service was negative as nationalised railways were an object of contempt rather than a national treasure like the NHS. "

durhamjen Fri 12-May-17 12:22:36

National Investment Bank

Establish a new bank that will devote itself to lending 250bn over 10 years for large scale investment projects that the private sector cannot fund and make a profit.
Regional development banks created.

Backing for research and Development will also be one of its aims with a target of reaching 3%of GDP


Many have supported an investment bank. With the Treasury cutting back, it is the perfect time for an investment fund backed by the state to boost infrastructure spending.

durhamjen Fri 12-May-17 12:24:01

I hope this is okay with HQ.
Next time use fewer posts, whitewave.
Nothing else to do while waiting for my grandson to arrive.

TriciaF Fri 12-May-17 12:32:29

I've thought for a long time that retired people should have their own political party - there's a good number of us now - nearly 20% of the UK population.
My day has gone, but why not, the rest of you? Instead of talking, do something!

gillybob Fri 12-May-17 12:37:00

It's okay MazieD Thank you for taking an interest though. smile

durhamjen Fri 12-May-17 12:45:15

I wrote about SMEs before I noticed the thread had ended.
Does it not annoy you, gillybob, that any business with a turnover of less than £25 million gets lumped together with the rest of the 99% of all private businesses?
It's no wonder that people think that all business owners are budding Bransons.

f77ms Fri 12-May-17 12:50:31

I am delighted with the manifesto , all the things I would wish for are included plus more.

Anniebach Fri 12-May-17 12:57:48

Yes Maizie it's your opinion

MaizieD Fri 12-May-17 12:59:31

My opinion, but I did say why I held it.

daphnedill Fri 12-May-17 13:04:26

Were you addressing this at me gillybpb?

^I wish daphnedill !

Why do people always seem to look at anyone in business with suspicion.

I'ts okay for you, you've got your own business.(I would give anything for DH and I to work for someone else)

It must be nice to get cash in hand. (we only work business to business so no cash, ever)

I bet you have a nice house (we sold our last house to put the money into the business, now live in a 2 bedroom terrace)

I bet you have a nice fat pension to look forward to (ha ha see above..... the bit we had has all gone into the business and DH at 65 will probably get to retire when they take him out of the factory in his coffin)

I bet you get away with paying tax and NI (like how? you can't fiddle PAYE can you?)

I bet you get a nice bonus (where from? we just about keep manage to keep the doors open and the bills paid)

I HATE the way people assume you are in business so you are bloody well Richard Branson or Alan Sugar ^

If so,I take great exception.

Firstly, I don't even own my home. It was repossessed when I could no longer pay the mortgage after I had a breakdown, so I have to keep on working to pay rent. Goodness knows what I'll do, when I can no longer work. When I lost my house, I was homeless. The council had nowhere, so I had to give up my son too, because I couldn't look after him just before he did his GCSEs. He went to live with his father, except that (unbeknown to me) his father wasn't there and my son had to look after himself.

Secondly, I don't take cash in hand. I insist all payments are made into a separate bank account, so that I can track the income more easily. annie accused me a few weeks ago of not paying my taxes. Well! Dead right, I don't pay tax,but that's because I earn under the threshold of £11,000.

Thirdly, big fat pension! Yes, I have two pensions.I was lucky, because they started when I was 60. One is from Express Newspapers (boo hiss) and the other is a teachers' pension. Unfortunately, it's not huge either, because I made a huge mistake at one point in my life and opted out of the teachers' pension. Not only that, but I had a break in service and the second part won;t be paid until I'm 65.

My combined pension and profit from self-employment has only just gone over the tax threshold this year for the first time. I have to top up my income from the remaining equity from my house.

I don't pay corporation tax - obviously! What I know is from my investigations into my ex-husband's affairs and further reading showed that some financial advisers were actually advising paying corporation tax instead of income tax as a method of "tax efficiency". I'm not an accountant, so I don't know how it works, but it's obviously a well-known loophole.

I'm afraid I'm spitting mad!

Anniebach Fri 12-May-17 13:06:16

Yes Maizie, as do I if allowed to.

rosesarered Fri 12-May-17 13:16:59

Opinions on here are all personal opinions apart from the many links to all sorts of sources.Perhaps one or two would prefer if I said that I don't wish to see a far left Government putting into practice many things that could result in ruin for the UK at a time when we will be negotiating all kinds of deals for our country , and which at the moment has full employment.I further don't want to see ( again) the rise of the Unions and a PM who is in their pockets.I don't want to see wildcat strikes.I don't want to see a weak and vacillating PM like Corbyn.
Fortunately, it's not likely to happen with the Conservatives leading the polls .