Should I vote Labour Mark 11

Just imagine - Corbyn, McDonald, McClusky and the Momemtum spokesperson sitting around a table writing the manifesto

More power to the unions and privatising everything, as you wish Len

Build new houses some private some council, that's Libs sorted

No talk of being a pacifist, country bit touchy about that

What about adding tree planting , should pleased the Greens

Come on, we have a whole excersise book to fill before we accidently release it to the Mirror

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Sorry Durham, I just can't see this being a logical, or practical idea. The UK is rapidly running out of space for building houses on, just look around you. Houses are being crammed onto smaller and smaller bits of land. In my area, they've ripped hundreds of trees up and built on the land. As a consequence, that land now floods and the houses can't be insured. Add another 500,000 houses onto what's already been approved. Where? What land is left to build on, let alone stick 1 million trees on!

But I'll leave you to continue to champion the whimsical fancies of Corbyn. You'll justify his mad ideas, no matter what.

That is a real difficulty when we chat to each other on here. If you are face to face people can watch your facial expressions, and hear the intonation in your voice. There are so many signals missing on social media, which is why I suppose it gets heated so quickly.

Jeez daphnedill I can't believe you thought my rant was aimed at you?

The "I wish" comment was in response to something innocent you had said earlier and the rant that followed was aimed at "people" (and there are plenty of them in society) who assume that anyone with their own business must be either fiddling or rolling in it Like Alan Sugar. I know it might not be clear (my grammar is poor admittedly) but I typed the kind of things people say to me (or think about me) and my responses followed in brackets.

I'm not surprised you were upset if you thought I was saying all that to you but I absolutely wasn't . I feel quite upset that you would even imagine I would say such harsh things directly to you.

I posted my last apology/reponse whilst sitting outside the bank waiting for my dad ( who insists on doing every bloomin thing with cash) so might not have sounded sincere. I Don't know what else I can say really.

The Woodland Trust aim to plant 64 million trees over the next ten years.

3 million acres of woodland is only 3.9% of the UK.
You'd hardly notice an extra million trees.

chewbacca . Difficult to imagine isn't it, but there is a forest somewhere up north which is being developed over a largish area but not ridiculously so and they have already planted 1 million trees. It is really quite easy.

Sorry it should be 100k houses!!!

Don't worry, Chewbacca - it's only a Corbyn pipe-dream!

Forgive me for querying a post from several hours ago but I've only just got back from work.

"Housing:
1000000 houses -council and association houses every year for 5 years
Building private homes will become a national infrastructure priority.
4000 homes reserved for homeless."

"Plant 1 million native trees".

May I ask where the 1 million trees will fit, once the 5 million houses have been built? There is already no more space to build houses in the major cities. Green belt is already being deregistered and built on. Brown fill has been filled. Where are we going to fit the trees?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/11/labour-manifesto-ideas-right-state-role

Potential Pensioner's Party "PPP" - yes I think there is a party like that. But it has probably gone to the right - been taken over by the upper classes.
Because they live longer?

Another Progressive Pulse blog (but I said it first on a thread here somewhere )

www.progressivepulse.org/economics/how-are-we-going-to-pay-for-it/

When you listen to all the discussion about balancing the budget, about how any increase in spending needs to be matched by an increase in tax, why does no one mention that an increase in spending automatically generates extra tax?

The chap who runs the institute of fiscal studies ?

www.progressivepulse.org/general-election-2017/the-leaked-labour-manifesto/

That's not a blog? Looks very like one to me.

And remind me, who owns a large part of Sky?

Thank you Ana, a link not from a blogger thank heaven

news.sky.com/story/sky-views-well-all-pay-for-election-pledges-10873271

politicalscrapbook.net/2017/05/polling-proves-labour-manifesto-pledges-are-more-popular-than-papers-think/

This wouldn't be so if the manifesto was far left.

Daphne, I can accept times have chsnged, it is Corbyn tasking the country back in time which concerns me

Just because you are a pensioner doesn't mean you have to join the party.

Thank goodness I'm not a pensioner. I can't think of anything worse either!

I went to East Germany before re-unification and witnessed life in a communist country. Strangely enough, after 1989, some East Germans were nostalgic about full unemployment and free childcare.

When I was in East Berlin, I stocked up on some political books and I've never come across anything so sleep-inducing. They were real communist.

If the Labour manifesto had been written by a politician from most European countries, it would be considered social democrat or left of centre. No way is it far left.

It's about time the Labour Party split. There's obviously no way you're going to accept that times have changed annie.

You go out for a few hours and look where we are!

Tricia - I can't think of anything worse than a party for Pensioners - although I have an idea there is already one.

(still reading the posts).

Corbyn and Momentum are working like mad to get more momentum members into the PLC, they want to chsnge the labour rules on how many MP's are needed to support an MP in a leadership contest, they want to reduce the number so they can get a mini Corbyn in

Hmm...yes, sounds right for the Corbyn lot (not the 'inspiring' bit, just the communist similarities.)

What is "far left"? When I was an active member of the LP in the 70s most of the members were Union reps. We called eachother 'brother' so and so. I toyed with the idea of joining the communist party, but I didn't agree with some of their principles.
I used to take a communist party magazine which offered very cheap group holidays in Russia, and would have gone, if not for family ties.
As far as I remember the main LP plans were for state ownership of major utilities and companies.
I was lucky enough to spend a postgrad year at the LSE in 1959-60 when some of their brilliant lecturers were involved in planning the LP social reforms of the years to come - very inspiring.