Should I vote Labour Mark 11

Only the few POGS? The latest poll has given the Theresa May Party only a five point lead. The way this is going she will only prove she has her own mandate, which was never in question. I wonder how close to her back the far right Tory knives will be if that is all she does.

Keep laughing, being condemnatory and outright rude those of you who don't take others opinions seriously. That is exactly what has led to huge swings in other countries.

GG everyone is angry. Come the labour win ISIS will be in Westminster for a cuppa . Just as the IRA were invited five weeks after the Brighton bombing 1984

The good Friday agreement ? 1998 and Corbyn voted against it

And McDonnell used the 'Little Red Book' in Parliament as a 'joke' didn't he. .

Well to be fair it did get a good laugh at the time and he does like to spout some pretty horrible things and say with his grin ' Well, look I was only kidding'. Yep, kidding the few , not the many!

Enter John McDonnell on google and hear him 'state' ,'I'll be honest with you , I am a Marxist." on youtube.

There is a truth to the 'rewriting of history' line but hopefully 'The Many, Not The Few' will not be taken in by spin and concentrate on hard facts.

Again, your opinion AB. These aren't actually my words but I totally agree. My family have links with Manchester and I am angry that this wicked, wicked man was in the position to do what he did. This was in an email I received this morning and a cannot say it better.

It will be interesting to see how Corbyn's call to lead with the position that foreign policy led to the current terrorist threat is received, as he is completely correct.

I am very angry about Manchester because it is so avoidable, both directly in not tracking a guy traveling frequently to radicalized Syria and indirectly in the government for providing the breeding ground with hawkish foreign policy and for creating a society where someone raised in the U.K. could feel so alienated from it. Every government of the last 27 years should feel culpable.

Nutall used the Manchester murders yesterday for campaign

Corbyn is to use it today

Shame on both

Honest people find lies and hypocrisy unacceptable

Moderate MP's? Moderate in what sense? Moderate is such a fluffy word isn't it. It makes you feel we should give all these 'moderate' MPs a hug. Perhaps they are actually not moderate; I have certainly seen very little moderation if you are talking about the right-wing of the Labour Party.

Some years ago, I believe John MacDonald did say he was a Marxist but he has since said he is not - and after all only he knows - but he has said that Marx said many interesting things. Only a very closed mind would think that was not true. You may not agree with the 'interesting things' but that doesn't stop them adding to overall views available for us to study, think about and agree or disagree with.

As for 'Corbyn used to be called a trot', I could call you a donkey RAR but that doesn't make you a donkey.

I don't think he is a moderate but I do not think he is the spawn of Satan as he is being set up by some to be either. I think he is presenting interesting arguments and balancing the distance we have moved towards the far right. I think some of his policies bare investigating and that some of them rightly challenge the extreme Capitalism we have seen over recent years. That makes him neither saint nor sinner but interesting if you can open you mind and stop taking offence, although I do realise some can't.

If Corbyn wins the GE the NHS will save millions, he will trot around the country - laying on of hands ,

.....and yes, I know personally of two young women who are doing just that, and have been for a while, shopworkers with huge Uni debt.

Corbyn is hooking voters like those fairground ducks, with the promise of fairyland for all, ( paid for by printing money and borrowing billions) which makes him popular.If there could have been no tuition fees for all, other governments including Labour would have done it, what a vote winner! But Labour had to introduce them after wanting the 50% of young people to go to university, a clear social experiment, since 50% were not academic/intelligent enough to go to University.So, uni's had to be brought down a level or two, converting polytechnics into them and dumbing down courses.Pushing media studies and so on.All that it did is give young people big debts and not much chance of a good job.
Slowly, that should be put right, and some of these uni's allowed to 'die off' naturally.
Set no targets for University 'filling' and get back to the natural levels we had before Blair's experiment.
While doing that, other things could be encouraged that are more suited to the pupils and would lead to good well paid jobs.
Instead if that, we now have a Labour government prepared to pay for everything,
Including all the mickey mouse subjects that lead only to a job in a shop that could have been done from age 16.

A record of voting against the good Friday agreement is a fact not an opinion

The view expressed was about Jen's links and BOGS view of how she should counter them.

The rest is just quoting other people's views and I imagine they will always be divided. 'Correct' doesn't come into it they are just opinions from two people who already hold strong opinions themselves about the person they are discussing. You are not 'right' or 'correct' just because you express an opinion unless you can prove it is correct. If you have no facts or the same facts are being interpreted in two different ways it still remains an opinion - or rather two opinions.

It is fact, I read swaqbox link last night and it sickened me . Corbyn supported an independant Ireland and to use Mo in that filth posted disgusted me

This is how low the Corbyn-.momentum party will sink.

Also, on this left /far left thing, how come moderate left MP's are against Corbyn if he doesn't represent far left?
McDonnell admits he was a Marxist, and Corbyn used to be called 'an affable Trot'
Doesn't that say far left to you?
Those posters who think he is moderate are kidding themselves.

Who had ever heard of Corbyn or McDonnell being voices to help in the peace process at the time ( they were backbenchers in any case, not big players) no, they were all for a united Ireland, whatever the people in NI wanted, and were over friendly with the IRA top brass.

It's the correct view!

Well that's a view POGS.

labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/08/07/the-idea-that-jeremy-corbyn-laid-the-foundations-for-peace-in-northern-ireland-is-total-fantasy/

" More important than the political theatre Corbyn engaged in is the fact that Corbyn has not been consistent in his support of the efforts made by Britain to encourage dialogue and the Northern Ireland Peace Process. Most notably, he voted against the critically important 1985 Anglo-Irish Agreement, saying:

"Does the hon. Gentleman accept that some of us oppose the agreement for reasons other than those that he has given [i.e. Unionist]? We believe that the agreement strengthens rather than weakens the border between the six and the twenty-six counties, and those of us who wish to see a united Ireland oppose the agreement for that reason."
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blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/05/jeremy-corbyn-should-not-be-allowed-to-rewrite-the-history-of-his-support-for-the-ira/

" Something remarkable is happening in British politics right now. Something rotten and disgusting too. Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of Her Majesty’s loyal (sic) opposition, is trying to rewrite history. "
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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/john-mcdonnell-ira-apology-how-6469056
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If you read durhamjens persistent links to sqwakbox and trust it's credibility then I will say for goodness sake do your own homework! The respected Alan Johnson couldn't even give an ounce of credibility as to Corbyn being a player in the Anglo Irish Agreement / Good Friday Agreement on This Week tonight and so many Labour MP's have been honest about this notion Corbyn and McDonnell 'PLAYED SUCH PIVOTAL ROLES' in the Good Friday Agreement, they scoff at the suggestion.
Corbyn voted against the Good Friday Agreement!

An alternative view!

Pity the .guardian had no knowledge of this, I do like reliable reporting , and how strange this writer comes out with all this days after Corbyn was under attack for his defence of and closeness to the I.R.A.

Thank you for posting that link dj. I admit I had no idea Jeremy Corbyn played such a pivotal role in the Northern Ireland peace process. Well worth reading.

For those who don't trust Corbyn.

skwawkbox.org/2017/05/25/world-exclusive-corbyn-mowlams-envoy-to-ira-and-loyalists/

Please read it all.

Far-left, far-right and left of centre/right of centre all depend on where you yourself are standing. If you are very much to the right you will see someone as far left who will only be seen as to the left of someone who is more centrist and possibly as centrist as someone who themselves if left of centre. What you believe about others says a great deal about your own political stance.

And I honestly believe he is Angelab,

But McDonnell???

I honestly don't believe, Annie, that JC is far left - he is as left as the labour party should be.