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Should I vote SNP?

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Granny23 Fri 12-May-17 12:39:34

Given that the Labour vote has collapsed in Scotland this GE has become a straight fight between the SNP and the Conservatives, many former, often life long, Labour supporters find themselves between a rock and a hard place. Should they swallow their long standing anathema to the SNP, Labour's major competitors for votes for the last 20 odd years or do the previously unthinkable and vote Conservative.

The Tories appear to be basing their campaign in Scotland entirely on their opposition to a second referendum, giving no firm promises or concrete plans for anything to Scotlan's advantage e.g. support for the Fishing Industry post Brexit or lowering the iniquitous charges for putting power generated in Scotland on to the grid.

Meanwhile the SNP are concentrating on providing a left of centre, powerful voice for Scotland (and the vulnerable across the UK) e,g, leading the struggle for the WASPI women, attacking the 2 child/rape Clause legislation, in a hostile hard right Westminster.

What should socialist or centre left voters do? Vote Tory to protect the Union, or SNP whose policies are more in tune with their own priorities?

varian Wed 07-Jun-17 12:51:33

This is exactly what happened in 2015 when you could say "it was the Sun wot won it". By bigging up the SNP in Scotland and the Tories everywhere else they got exactly the result they wanted.

NS helped the Tories enormously by boasting that she would work with Labour to "lock the Tories out of Downing Street forever" thus ensuring the loss of many Labour and LibDem seats in England.

The proprietor of the Sun got what he wanted and just look at the result.

Esspee Wed 07-Jun-17 12:57:12

There won't be a Lib.Dem revival Jamila, as a nation we don't thole those who go back on their words and will jump through hoops for a taste of power.
I so wanted to write NONE OF THE ABOVE on my postal vote but in the end, very grudgingly, put my X for the SNP. I want my MP to care about Scotland and always put our interest first. All the other parties, when they get to Westminster, just toe their party line and forget who they represent.
My dilemma is that I am pro Brexit. I voted to join the common market as a trading bloc. I resent having our laws overturned by the EEC and I want OUT! The SNP will inevitably assume that a vote for them is a vote for remaining in the EEC and a vote for a second referendum. I want neither. This has been a very difficult decision for me and I say that as one who has voted SNP all my life.

FarNorth Wed 07-Jun-17 13:34:41

Do you believe that the UK government will get a good deal for Scotland, through Brexit, Esspee?

Esspee Wed 07-Jun-17 15:52:34

Quite frankly FarNorth I am so anti EEC (as it is now, not what I voted for originally - i.e. a trading partnership) that I just want the UK or Scotland to be a nation in charge of it's own destiny.

FarNorth Wed 07-Jun-17 16:01:39

Why do you feel it is so dreadful?

What of the financial help we get from the EU?

Esspee Wed 07-Jun-17 18:08:06

Ah.....subsidies! So we should stay in it for what we get in handouts? Whenever I speak to people who wish to remain in the EEC it is mostly because they get handouts. Either their jobs are linked to EEC funding or their livelihood is based on farming or fishing etc. where they are milking the system. It is always a personal gain they are interested in, not what is best for the country as a whole.
I want a return to a system where we elect a government which has the welfare of the country (be it the UK or Scotland) as a whole. Where laws are made and not overruled by unelected overpaid bureaucrats in Europe and our taxes are spent on our citizens. I am happy to have immigrants who wish to work, and contribute to our country via taxation, join us and embrace our values. I resent that we allow some incomers to milk our benefit system and refuse to assimilate. When individuals use our freedoms to fight to remain here, abuse our hospitality and our courts are overruled from Brussels I despair.
As part of the EEC we pay for the gravy train that Brussels has become. How can anyone seriously accept the ridiculous moving from Brussels to Strasbourg and back ad infinitum.
That is enough from me.

FarNorth Wed 07-Jun-17 23:38:59

I hadn't thought of the payments as subsidies or handouts, but I guess they could be seen that way.
I recently read an article which stated that hill farming in the Scottish Highlands would not be viable without payments from the EU.

Esspee Thu 08-Jun-17 07:14:29

In New Zealand the government stopped subsidies to farmers, cold turkey. After they got over the shock they recovered and are doing very well indeed. If something is not viable why on earth are we doing it?

Esspee Thu 08-Jun-17 07:22:41

We pay far more into the EEC than we get back but that is not the subject of this thread.