Ian Brady

Annie, in Brady's case you don't know whether he ever suffered as a child or not, or to what extent. So why should anyone feel sorry for him?

Do you know what he and Hindley did to those children?

Please stop trying to prove your point - it isn't working.

Good riddance, glad he's gone. Only wish it had been sooner.

I read lots of "serial killer" books and none of them are depicted as mentally ill but they are all depicted as cold calculating obsessive lovers of torture and getting off in watching their victims die
Now why is that - I believe that some people like Nielson Ian Brady etc are fundamentally evil
They don't have the feelings that "normal" people have in that they feel no remorse no guilt and have no qualms about what they do
When guilt like this is proven beyond any shadow of doubt then I think the death penalty should be the only option - not only would it starve the killer of the oxygen of publicity but it would go Some way to making the families of the victims feel vindicated

Glad to see this on the BBC:

Ian Brady's body will not be released until the coroner is assured that his ashes will not be scattered on Saddleworth Moor.

My mother was a paranoid schizophrenic. That is not an excuse for murder.

Jeremy Bamber Smileless ?

We should feel sorry for any child who is suffering surely Ana

Luckylegs As a Christian you will know we are all equal in God's eyes. 'Worthless excuses for human beings' is not a good phrase. We are all made in God's image and are children of God.

I worked with the forensic psychiatrist who was assessing Peter Sutcliffe and he was very clearly a paranoid schizophrenic. He is now a burnt out schizophrenic with less positive symptoms but probably many of the negative symptoms of schizophrenia.
Of course I feel an enormous sadness for the children and families who suffered so horrendously but it doesn't mean I hate the perpetrator although I hate absolutely the crime.

Not their fault - they did it because they suffered as a child and were angry?

And also true that some were raised by loving and caring families but grew up to be killers (can't think of any examples but here must be).

So we should feel sorry for them, should we Annie?

True, not all but some do

Having a mental illness and not being able to discern right from wrong may be acceptable reasons for showing sympathy toward a murderer, but having a lot of anger and possibly suffering as a child; no. Not IMO.

Sadly there are many very angry adults who suffered when they were children and thankfully not all of them commit murder especially the sexual abuse, torture and murder of children.

I don't have a problem with having much sorrow for the victims and the families but still have sympathy for someone who must have held so much anger and possibly suffered as a child.

He is no more,the media will calm down , expect there will be a few stories sold to the press though, then nothing more to say about it is there

What Brady and Hindley did was evil and whether we consider them to have been evil not does not diminish the horror of their crimes.

As sparklygrandma has said, Peter Sutcliffe is now being held in prison as he's not considered to be a paranoid schizophrenic. At the time of his trial it was debated if he were. His wife Sonia was and it was believed by some that he used his knowledge of her illness to be used in his 'defense'.

Denise Nielson did not have an insanity plea as part of his defense. When corresponding with the author of the book 'Killing for Company' he wrote that he couldn't understand why there appeared to be more horror expressed at what he did with the remains of his victims, than the fact that he'd murdered them in the first place.

I agree with capital punishment; the taking of a life is the ultimate crime and should receive the ultimate punishment. I don't agree that Brady should have been force fed for all these years. If as a society we don't have the courage to take a life as punishment for murder I don't believe we should have the right to extend the life of a murderer; just my opinion.

I couldn't care less whether or not he was suffering from a mental illness. I don't waste any thoughts on him at all but I do care about those poor young children and the mental torment he inflicted on their families.

As others have said, the world is rid of an evil man.

He has said he worked out who his real mother was from very early on, and although the family took him in unofficially they did treat him well.

His real mother visited him but never told him she was his mother, he had foster parents not adoptive parents, we are speaking of a child of the late thirties/early forties , can we compare that period with now? children were Autistic and dyslexia then as they do now, they were judged stupid . Did people talk of post natal depression or OCD in the forties ?

daphnedill but Ashworth holds 'forensic' patients..i.e. people who have been judged or clinically assessed as criminally insane or dangerous.

Yes but mumof Sutcliffe is back in the prison population, he is not now considered actively ill.

I disagree, being mentally ill can prevent a sufferer from knowing right from wrong, surely someone has a family member or friend who has for example Bi polar, if so can you say when they are on a high thry can reason on right and wrong?

Someone asked about Brady's childhood. Brady was illegitimate and he was given up for unofficial adoption at 4 months, his real mother visited him often. His adoptive parents took him in and treated him as their own. He was apparently a difficult child and would throw temper tantrums when he didn't get his own way. At school he was considered intelligent but lazy and never applied himself and would bully younger children. He became fascinated by Nazi Germany and also read the Marquis de Sade. As a teenager he started breaking into homes and stealing. He moved in with his biological mother and her husband when he was 17

I don't think he was actually mentally ill when he committed the murders - he enjoyed exercising power and control over people, however, I do think over the time he spent in prison he did become mentally ill.

No annievach maybe it does t but intelligence has to be supported by reasonably mental capability to plan the crimes he did.

Anniebach, being mentally ill doesn't stop you knowing right from wrong, he and Hindley were manipulative and truly evil, she became a Christian because it made it easier, if she truly repented she would have spent the the rest of her life trying to atone for her sins, she would have helped to locate that missing boy. I am a Christian, if I hurt someone's feelings it's bad enough, but to torture and kill, how do you square that? Being mentally ill, yes you do things that you shouldn't, but they are not in that heightened state 24/7. So I don't agree with your comments one bit, my thoughts and compassion are with the victims families. We wasted a lot of money keeping 2 worthless excuses for human beings in relative comfort. If only their victims could have lived as long as those 2.

Maybe we should just let him rot in peace and stop giving this monster air time.