Yet more Conservative manifesto rubbish

GGM2 by now, everybody on here knows that you will follow any comment that I make with personal, insulting or downright rude posts whenever you can.
Yet, you are the first to yell about others being rude.Ironic really.

David Davis wasn't at a Cobra meeting or at the G7 summit. He was supposed to relaunch the tory manifesto yesterday. He didn't.
Can you explain that, roses?

RAR you really do an exaggerated sense your own importance. Is this the arrogance of the Tory voter? You posted, I replied, that's how it works.

Annie, you voted for Corbyn but didn't for May? Is that the difference?

rose have you not noticed that as soon as you start to lose the argument you shout "rude post"?

What on earth was rude about ggs post. If you think it was isn't that being a bit wimpy?

I have never posted before but have to say I don't understand why anyone would vote for Corbyn's Labour party. He has consistently voted against anti-terrorism bills, marched in support of terrorists, refused to denounce terrorists and called them his friends. He is at heart a communist but is afraid to admit it because he knows it will lose him even more support. He is totally out of his depth and would be a complete disaster for UK. Until he was elected leader of the party no-one outside his constituency had even heard of him, he spent years happily sitting on the back benches which is where he should have stayed.

I now fully expect the usual suspects to descend on me and denounce my views with vitriol and insults.

I have tried to be civil to all on the political threads, and why am I 'losing the argument' I think some of the Conservative manifesto may well be the right things to do but are unpopular choices.Therefore a mistake just before a GE when the Opposition is promising the moon on a stick. GGM2 gets a jibe into every post or makes things personal whenever possible, this to me, is rudeness.
Keep to politics people, and leave the insults at home.

Jen, I expect a leader to lead ,you criticising May for not campaigning yet defend Corbyn for doing as little as possible, why csn you not still support him but admit he wanted out .

Oldwoman many will agree with you....including me.There should be no vitriol or insults coming your way for expressing a view, but sadly there probably will be.

When have I ever said he didn't want out?

Corbyn did a lot more than Mayhem for remain, even if his heart wasn't in it. That's leadership.

To backtrack a bit

Some businesses may leave the country because of Brexit, because they need to be in an EU country, that doesn't mean we should increase corporation tax in order to drive other businesses out!

As we have one of the lowest rates of corporation tax in Europe and the proposed Labour increases wouldn't make it the highest where do you think all these businesses would relocate to?
(I say Europe not because I'm thinking of the EU but because it is close to the UK, businesses aren't going to move far if they can help it)

Amazing that businesses leaving the UK because of Brexit is acceptable to our gung ho Brexiteers but asking them to pay their fair share of tax isn't. Clearly they approve of the tory vision of tax haven UK where, desperate to hang on to what we've got left, the ordinary taxpayer will pay more (because tax income has to come from somewhere) so as to subsidise the low tax bribes to business.

Oldwoman70, I voted for Corbyn in the leadership contest , big mistake , I agree with all you say . Be prepared to be accused of posting hate and bile, ignore it. ?

"I agree that the manifesto has been all wrong ( maybe for the right reasons)"

Have you changed your mind about writing this, roses?

If corporation tax proves too high, some will relocate to a country where other costs are lower generally, like Poland.
It would be a real gamble to increase CT soon in the UK.

If a leader hasn't his/her heart in their party's policies they should stand down.

dj the manifesto was wrong generally because it promised nothing to voters that they could immediately latch onto, it needed some positives.Politically it was a brave move ( or a stupid one) just before a GE .It doesn't mean that the policies themselves were wrong though.

So you still say it was wrong, and you believe it was right in another post, roses.
As many u-turns as Mayhem.
You have forgotten that it hasn't been costed, either.
It promised lots, but what it promised couldn't be delivered, because it was all pie in the sky.

"What the Conservatives did re the manifesto could well have been the right things to propose, although unpopular generally."
Make your mind up, roses. It's a general election.
Are you wavering?

You are not understanding at all dj.... but never mind.

All I did was repeat back to you, what you had said RAR; I really can't be held responsible for that. Now then, enough of the me, me, me, we get when you are on and back to the topic

dj the manifesto was wrong generally. A good summary of the Conservative manifesto RAR. (There you are, a compliment)

Unpleasant remarks are still that, even with a smiley emoticon attached you know!

Of course I am understanding you, roses. You keep changing your mind about Mayhem's manifesto.
Carry on, I don't mind. It's quite amusing.

Therefore a mistake just before a GE when the Opposition is promising the moon on a stick

I wonder if you could explain where I can obtain my 'moon on a stick'. I don't think this is the first time you have mentioned it but having read the LP manifesto - it isn't there. Are you being offered something I am not? That would definitely be unfair and possibly very rude

From the IFS interview:

The Conservatives continued focus on reducing immigration would, if affective, cause considerable economic damage and create additional problems for the public finances. The OBR has already downgraded its forecasts for receipts by £6bn by the end of this decade and rising thereafter due to lower expected net immigration. Meeting the conservatives commitment to reduce net immigration to the tens of thousands would hit tax revenues by a similar amount again.

That additional public finance challenge is especially pertinent in the context of an ageing population which will push up pressures on health, pensions and social care over coming decades. On fairly conservative estimates these pressures could exceed 5% of national income or £100bn in current terms by the middle of this century.

Denying entry to young working immigrants would make that challenge all the harder to meet but so would continuing the triple lock on the state pension as Labour propose of the very similar double lock as the Conservatives propose.