Yet more Conservative manifesto rubbish

Corbyn was openly a supporter of a united Ireland, he was not involved in the peace process, he ran a campaign for IRA prisoners who were in prison for murder to be treated as political prisoners not as murderers.

I can understand him supporting the IRA, but let us not try to change the past, are all the Irish MP's and others all lying when they say he was not involved in the peace process, his closest friend McDonald attended a service for Bobby Sands , I know people who also attended. I know several supporters of the IRA, sorry but that voxpox link Jen posted was not true .

This is one reason I have a problem with Corbyn, he changes the past now he He is leader, why not remain honest , when asked by a select committee about calling Hamas his friends he said - with hindsight I was wrong . he backs out of anything in his past which raises questions now, this is not honest

And this is no rant, it is a posting of the truth , I respect him for standing up for a free Ireland, I do not respect him for yet another backing out and denying his past.

Yes!! I do remember that.

It's such a long and complicated history ww going back to Cromwell. It didn't help when the British Government tried to introduce idiotic restrictions. Don't know if you remember when we weren't allowed to hear the voices of IRA members and any speeches had to be voiced over? A complete gift for all the comedians of the day.

That's interesting * trish* I am sorry to say I know very little about N I - the troubles and subsequent peace.

There is a theory that ISIS extract funding from the Saudis by promising not to undertake any terrorist actions on their territory.It is a possibility, but also whilst the west are focussed on the actions of ISIS they won't take issue with the Saudis about their human rights record.

Both sides were listened to in the Good Friday Agreement Annie. The problem was not the so called "Loyalists" (who had undertaken a number of terrorist actions), but the IRA who had been demonised and isolated by the British Government and who needed to be brought to the table, and were, because the links had been established by people like Corbyn. Would you rather he hadn't talked to them and there were still bombs going off all over the UK?

Yes ana funding and supporting are different.

Isis would not survive without funding from Saudi and Qatar. Both our and American intelligence have suggested it. Both countries are the ones that need talking to, and who knows perhaps intelligence is, but their ultra conservative form of Islam is a real problem, as we in the U.K. Are very aware.

whitewave, we don't even know! And we were talking about funding, not supporting - subtle difference.

it can only be because they support the cause they are funding,

Sponsors of such states do not always support the cause Annie. Often they are protecting their own interests. It could be the thought that 'if this group is fighting someone else they are not threatening me' or the 'my enemies enemy is my friend' approach which keeps these groups on your side instead of working with an enemy state against you and, by doing this weakening those you see as your enemy.

If seeking peace does one not listen to both sides? Corbyn was vocal with his support for the IRA's fight for what they considered a free, united Ireland regardless of those who wanted to remain part of the UK. And surely inviting the IRA to Westminster only five weeks after the Brighton bombing was either very stupid or an outward showing of his support for them , it was not a search of peace

Would anyone here in all honesty invite terrorists to a building in full knowledge people there were grieving ?

Who else supports them ana?

I think for many of you who doubt whether Isis will ever come to the table, I think one possible way of tackling them is to talk to those who are funding them. If their income could be cut off it would be enormously helpful in stopping their ability to pursue their death cult ambition.

You make an excellent point whitewave. It often comes down to keeping what power they can and that inevitably means money. I don't think it will be just about their major supporters but cutting off any donations getting through to them.

They are funded by far more than just the Saudis. And good luck to anyone who tries to get even them around the table to discuss matters...

Not quite sure what you meant by amusement annie

The Saudis have their fingers all over Isis - they are far and away the biggest funders. I am not sure where you think other funding will come from, given Isis particular apparent brand of death cult Islam.

No other Islamic sect would touch them with a barge poll. It would be like a Christian church funding the type of death cults weve seen in America in the past - to a lessor degree of course.

Surely no one funds them for amusement Whitewave, it can only be because they support the cause they are funding, why would they listen and then do as was asked ?

I can understand that Oldwoman but how do you get to talk to people if you show no signs of understanding their point of view? Did you see the link trisher put on a few posts back - I think many people would say that what he said in 2003 has come all to true.

You see him as a man who 'sympathised with and voiced support and friendship for terrorist organisations' but I see him as a man who seeks peace. I doubt he always got it right but those things would certainly not put me off voting for the Labour Party if it is my only way to keep 'The May Team', as she calls it, from getting a landslide.

I cannot bare the idea of more people being made poorer and less care available for the old. I cannot bare the idea of a poorer education for children or no opportunities for further education for those for whom university is not appropriate - I could go on. I see the things the Conservatives have done as far, far more wicked than anything Corbyn has said or done - because it wasn't necessary but ideological. I also think that, although I think May wanted to be strong, this is too much for her.

I think it really would be a team if Labour won not just Corbyn. I wouldn't normally vote Labour but he seems to be aware of what poverty and lack of opportunity do to people in the way that May doesn't. I don't think either of them are bad people but what they intend to do is what I will have to consider when I put my cross in the box.

IMO, meant to add!

There would be so many people you needed to 'talk to', and if you convinced one, another would come along and replace the funding. It's not that simple.

I also think that Wahabi teachers need very careful looking at.

GracesGran, my initial post was not meant to be aggressive and angry and I am sorry if you saw it that way. I was merely pointing out that I don't understand why people would want for PM a man who has sympathised with and voiced support and friendship for terrorist organisations.

Back in 2003 trisher! It seems very prescient when you look at it now. I am not surprised its gone mad on social media.

Saudi and Qatar to start.

And they are...?

I think for many of you who doubt whether Isis will ever come to the table, I think one possible way of tackling them is to talk to those who are funding them. If their income could be cut off it would be enormously helpful in stopping their ability to pursue their death cult ambition.

If you don't do links he says
Thousands more deaths in Iraq will not make things right. It will set off a spiral of conflict, of hate, of misery, of desperation that will fuel the wars, the conflict, the terrorism, the depression, and the misery of future generations.