Is it too late for a U turn on Brexit or at least watering it down?

I agree and voted remain. However, we should adhere to the democratic will of the electorate no matter how much some of them disagree!

The Tories do not think of the national interest Maizie. Bringing the referendum, certainly bringing it in the way they did with no defined quorum in the form of a minimum threshold turn-out (sixty percent is agreed by many as a suitable threshold) in order to make constitutional change was done because the sheer arrogance of Tories tells them they will get their will.

Tory arrogance which allows that the people can be allowed to believe they make decisions but they have a natural right to leadership also led T May to call the most recent election.

The views of the right wing are such that they cannot put the needs of the country first; they believe that when you have got it you should keep it and they don't only believe this about money and control of the economy, they believe it about running the country too.

FFS change the record. All that is only your opinion and is no more valid than anyone else's.

Truejane but also true that gg has every right to express her views however unpalatable you find them.

Hmm! This getting interesting. Ruth Davidson would appear to be planning a Scottish breakaway on Brexit. The DUP wants a "soft" border with the Republic. I haven't got my mathematical hat on at the moment, but if Labour has the courage to vote against the Tories on Brexit, that means that the Tories can't have a majority, because the SNP and LibDems won't support them.

It's all getting too complicated! A coalition of chaos in fact! Arrrggghhh!

PS. Apparently there are 19 openly LGBT Conservative MPs, who don't seem very happy about a coalition with 10 DUP MPs.

Whitewave I entirely agree with you on GGs right to express her opinions. Something to do with democracy...
However, life isn't as black and white as all Tories are bastards (summary of typical posts) and all socialists are angels. People, voters are complex which is why I was saying that people from all parties need to work together. Its definitely not going to be easy though! Who'd be a politician? Its a shark tank!

with quite a few minnows swimming around too

dd LGBT politicians. Bit of a tight rope as their LGBT voting public won't be happy.

True! Hopefully, MPs would respect the views of all their constituents whatever their sexuality. However, given the very public views of the DUP on LGBT rights, I would imagine that any LGBT MP would find it very difficult to discuss anything with the DUP, knowing that the person sitting across the table thinks they're disgusting and some aberration of nature. Ruth Davidson has said she would put her right to her relationship before party and country.

Good for Davidson, now let's hope she fights just as hard for retaining the HR act,

I have never, ever, said anything near "all Tories are bastards and all socialists are angels" Jane10 and I totally reject any attempt to paint me as that person. I have no idea which people on here are saints or angels and would guess that most are a mixture of the two. I would also guess that many whose politics I would disagree with think that their politics would be 'a good thing'

I can see no reason for you to post about me in the way that you did nor can I see any reason for you to swear at me. I will continue to treat such posts with the contempt they deserve and ignore them but when you add fuel to the fire and add totally unsustainable comments just to justify you original post, that I cannot ignore. Lies are lies Jane and I would rather you didn't tell them about me.

I did not swear at you GG. I summarised the various unpleasant things you have written about Tories in as few words as possible.
Others can read your posts and mine and draw their own conclusions.

No you didn't summarise in any way what I had said Jane and yet again you are suggesting I said something along the lines of "all Tories are bastards and all socialists are angels" - I did not nor did I say anything like it.

Convention says that FFS is shorthand for word that are considered to be swearing and they were in a post aimed at me so yes, you did swear at me.

Well here's some food for thought.

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/airbus-threatens-to-move-jobs-over-brexit-lcwm7mjng

10000 direçt and 100000 indirect. Hope the Brexiters think its worth it

10,000 staff and supporting 100,000 jobs.
Can a Brexiteer tell us why that is a price worth paying?

Snap, whitewave.

This was known. Good for the businesses making it clear.

I regard the referendum as a dreadful error of judgement as do most of my friends. What I can't understand is why our political leader cannot see what Brexit is doing to the country.

The facts were never properly explained. Most people who voted out did so for reasons that were nothing to do with the EU. There are faults with the EU that do need to be addressed but walking away is not the answer.

I think the same Cindersdad.
Most politicians know it is a bad move and will do untold damage to UK and yet for the sake of a million votes are adamant about going ahead with this foolish plan. It will take years to get over the damage we are doing to ourselves.

If we ever do

Positive thinking, whitewave. If she carries on being a robot she will burn out, blow up in a most dramatic way in front of the DUP leader.

A new name for the new party - MayDUP, courtesy of The Last Leg.

I think they will do anything for power so rather than giving a proper opinion they try to read the runes Cindersdad and tell the electorate what they think they want to hear.

I agree with you that it was a dreadful error of judgement and that the EU isn't - by any means - perfect.

I am glad to hear there are companies speaking out but I have a horrible feeling that if anyone is to save us from our own idiocy it will be the EU itself not wanting the UK to be too damaged.

... and these people offer themselves as our leaders

www.opendemocracy.net/can-europe-make-it/jonas-fossli-gjers/jeremy-corbyn-mainstream-scandinavian-social-democrat

This is interesting.