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Is it too late for a U turn on Brexit or at least watering it down?

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James2451 Fri 26-May-17 14:12:39

We oldies need to admit we got it wrong about leaving the eu, we are putting our young family members future at risk. Unity is now priority

The deep concerns by commerce, industry & farmers on our economy and hard times ahead should not be lightly dismissed.
The horrors of this week have highlighted the need for much closer unity with our neighbours in Europe. We cannot gamble on a hard Brexit to resolve differences, we need to stop and rethink how we can resolve our differences without the extremism of Brexit. Is it too late or can we save ourselves from a possible disaster? To do otherwise could be taking a gamble we just cannot afford to take on our young families future.

I am not prepared to leave it to Teresa May and trust her hard Brexit colleagues. Therefore I shall not vote for her type of Brexit.

Tegan2 Mon 12-Jun-17 00:56:59

'I am glad to hear there are companies speaking out but I have a horrible feeling that if anyone is to save us from our own idiocy it will be the EU itself not wanting the UK to be too damaged.'...but then everyone will say 'see, the EU [aka the enemy]did need us more than we needed them'....

whitewave Mon 12-Jun-17 06:54:13

They are ditching most of their manifesto because of the vote.

So i look forward to them ditching a hard Brexit and approach the whole subject in a sensible and balanced manner

whitewave Mon 12-Jun-17 07:08:24

Businesses beginning to panic about Brexit

whitewave Mon 12-Jun-17 07:20:26

Harvard report shows that business is extremely worried about all the extra paper work and regulations that they will have to deal with on top of the existing stuff.

Pity no one listened before the vote

Welshwife Mon 12-Jun-17 07:48:55

But WHY does no one have the courage to say that a million people were the difference who voted to remove us from the EU and the whole thing is costly, damaging and ridiculous. No politician who had clout in the GE came out and stood up for us remaining - the best was that there would be a vote on the deal! They all seem to be running scared.
There is some report out which says that to replace something like 1% of EU trade will take 20+% of trade with the rest of the world. Airbus are talking of looking for another base to take over from the UK ones - thousands of jobs.

Luckygirl Mon 12-Jun-17 07:58:11

dj - your Nordic link is fascinating - I have been saying this for ages. Tories trumpet what they call the "poor housekeeping" of Corbyn's policies, but they do not have to look far to see that some of the most successful countries (both economically and socially) embrace his ideas as being the mainstream.

How can we make the government take this plain truth on board?

whitewave Mon 12-Jun-17 07:59:36

I think there is definately a strong wind of change against Brexit

Watch Farage et al go into overdrive now - the question is will we believe the lies.

We need some protest marching

whitewave Mon 12-Jun-17 10:33:26

Presumably Ruth Davidson will be a thorn in the Brexiters side. Let's hope so.

whitewave Mon 12-Jun-17 10:38:17

Someone had a good point on MN.

How do you leave a union that exists to bolster trade, economies and jobs, without damaging ---trade economies and jobs.

whitewave Mon 12-Jun-17 10:55:10

Listening to Davis on R4 " 80% of people voted for Brexit".

It makes you want to scream in frustration.

Davis listen to the voter!!!!! Don't send out these lies in the assumption that they will be believed -we have already been fooled once.

30% of Tory voters defected to Labour.

Read these words. The majority of the British public do not want Brexit.

OK got it !!!!!!????????

devongirl Mon 12-Jun-17 10:56:46

The referendum resulted www.electoralcommission.org.uk/find-information-by-subject/elections-and-referendums/past-elections-and-referendums/eu-referendum/electorate-and-count-information in

Remain: 16,141,241 (48.1%)
Leave: 17,410,742 (51.9%)

Total Electorate: 46,500,001

Turnout: 72.2%

Rejected Ballots: 25,359

The 'leave' vote exceeded the 'remain' vote by 1,269,501. There were 12,948,018 who were eligible to vote but didn't, more than 10 times the gap between the 2 results. An overwhelming mandate for Brexit???

whitewave Mon 12-Jun-17 12:26:18

I have just mailed my mp with my desire to see us remaining in the single market and custom union.

whitewave Mon 12-Jun-17 12:33:10

Dunt

Leaving customs union will cost £25bn a year. Leaving the single market £36bn a year.

I hope the Brexiters have a plan to fill that massive gap, or think it's worth it.

whitewave Mon 12-Jun-17 13:12:07

So can anyone tell me how Brexit talks can start if we don't have a government? QSs hasn't gone through yet

whitewave Mon 12-Jun-17 13:15:39

It getting beyond dreadful!!

Nurses registering to work in U.K. DOWN 90%

Nandalot Mon 12-Jun-17 13:21:40

I've only just become aware..though probably not news to most..that nurse recruitment from the EU has dropped by 96% only 46 in April compared with1,340 in the July last year.

Nandalot Mon 12-Jun-17 13:22:25

X post Whitewave! I was just checking I had the figures right.

whitewave Mon 12-Jun-17 13:35:06

That is so serious. Will this non- government do anything about it?

Like hell they will.

whitewave Mon 12-Jun-17 13:37:19

I see Osborne is still sticking in the knife. (She's dead but won't lie down)

He said that the Remainers and soft Brexiters are going over Maybots head and approaching other parties

MaizieD Mon 12-Jun-17 14:06:31

Listening to Davis on R4 " 80% of people voted for Brexit".

Technically he's right. Labour also supports Brexit so the fact that people did vote for them can be spun as those voters supporting Brexit.

I should imagine that the Labour vote was made up of

1) People who do support Brexit
2) Resigned Remainers who thought that Labour would go for a 'softer' Brexit than the one proposed by May
3) People deeply concerned about the damage the tories are causing to our public services;

For the latter group, who might also be committed Remainers, it was a very hard decision. Lib Dems might have been more to their way of thinking but there was absolutely no realistic prospect of them enough clout to affect Brexit.

I see that change.org is promoting a petition to Jeremy Corbyn for Labour voting Remainers in the last group to make it clear to him that they weren't voting for a Labour Brexit, just for public services.

www.change.org/p/jeremy-corbyn-mp-my-vote-for-labour-is-not-a-vote-for-brexit

MargaretX Mon 12-Jun-17 14:47:01

I heard today on Radio 4 World at One that we area waiting for the Queen's speech to be written on vellum made out of goat's skin. there has been a delay as the DUP have to consider what they want written on it.

I can't wait to see the cartoons here in Europe about waitng for goat's skin to dry before starting talks.

A Custom's Union is what Ireland want but that forbids any trade deals with the rest of the world (these are made via the EU.) Makes sense as there would be a flourishing black market if this wasn't the case.
Labour insisiting they can keep in the single market and do a deal over immigration is just as bad as the Tory policy.

I think the Queen should make a move and forbid the country leaving what seems to be the reason for its future success
She should demand the end of Brexit and if she succeeds she will really have served her country and her family will be relieved of the burden of being royals. Prince William can live a normal life with his two children and his lovely wife.

Their relatives who live about 20 miles from my house have very nice life with organic farms and little castles and a normal life with normal schools for the children.

varian Mon 12-Jun-17 15:06:44

Although I do think Jeremy Corbyn had a good election campaign and agree with some of his policies, I think he behaved very badly when he imposed a three line whip on his MPs to vote for Article 50. That was totally unecessary. Nor did his manifesto need to indicate that Labour would back a "hard brexit" which it seems to have done, enabling the brexiteers to make the claim that 80%+ want it. People vote for so many different reasons.

durhamjen Mon 12-Jun-17 15:13:01

No, Maizie, technically he's wrong. Only 52% voted FOR Brexit.
This is what should happen.

r.mail.crowdjustice.co.uk/click/5pfhbpjginale3d.html

durhamjen Mon 12-Jun-17 15:18:11

I don't think it would have made any difference, varian.
Only six Tory ministers wanted Brexit.
I also do not understand where you get the fact that Labour want a hard Brexit.
Labour's manifesto said it was their priority to retain the benefits of the single market and the customs union, while rejecting 'no deal' as a viable outcome of the negotiations.

MaizieD Mon 12-Jun-17 15:37:12

No, Maizie, technically he's wrong. Only 52% voted FOR Brexit.

I think, dj that he was referring to the General Election vote, not the referendum. The vote share for Labour & tories combined in the GE was 80%+.