Is it too late for a U turn on Brexit or at least watering it down?

Labour's manifesto said it was their priority to retain the benefits of the single market and the customs union, while rejecting 'no deal' as a viable outcome of the negotiations

Yes, but as many have pointed out on twitter, Labour reject freedom of movement and the EU wouldn't let us have the single market and the customs union without it.

But he can't assume from that that people were voting for a hard Brexit.

I still don't understand why more people didn't vote Lib Dem.

dj did you see Alastier Campbell talking about the failure that will be Brexit and Britain becoming a first world failed state?

Lib Dems had a much higher hill to climb than did Labour. It would have been a true miracle if they'd managed to surmount that.

Also Guardian report that Tom Watson is asking No 10 if there is any truth in the rumour that Gove only got his job at Murdochs insistence?

Environment eh - bloody nightmare

jalima its called tactical voting and worked!!

Just shows how stupid David Davis is, then, maizie.
Fancy assuming that everyone who voted Labour and Tory voted for his form of Brexit. It was probably only ten per cent!

MN report in Guardian which states the EU has said if May insists on running with the divorce and trade in tandem will mean that Brexit will delayed for. Up to a year.

Apparently the EU has been secretly briefing No 10 for months about their stance so that the UK could get its ducks in line.

But they are still in chaos without a plan

I'm a LibDem member, so maybe I shouldn't write this, but I think the LibDems had a poor campaign. Part of the problem for them is that they have no money and don't have rich donors. My local branch apparently has absolutely no money left in the bank. I don't think the media is kind to Tim Farron.

The LDs relied on Brexit in a number of by-elections and local elections, which was a successful strategy, but there were problems in the South West heartlands, because those areas voted Leave. The strategy didn't work well in a general election.

The LDs failed to regain (or lost) seats in Cambridge, Leeds North West and Manchester Withington. All constituencies had previously had good LD MPs and I know something about them. The Labour Party had pro-Remain candidates, who were all honest about their position and promised to campaign for a soft Brexit. In the end, voters were more concerned about austerity and just hoped that Labour would challenge the Conservatives' position on Brexit. They also felt that a Labour MP would have more clout than a LibDem one.

PS. I think the Labour Party still has a problem with Brexit, because their new younger members don't want it, but the older, more traditional voters do (although there is some doubt about that, because some Ukip voters have returned to Labour). If I were a Labour Party strategist, the last thing I would want at the moment would be to be in government. Let the Conservatives make a hash of things and take ownership, then be around to pick up the pieces.

Ironically, the LibDems might get a second referendum/softer Brexit anyway.

labourlist.org/2017/06/seb-dance-young-people-turned-out-to-reject-mays-insular-vision-for-britain-now-we-must-offer-them-a-european-future/

Davis had better not count the young in his 80%.

daphnedil I think you're quite right. There's no chance of the tories being elected next time. Labour can just sit back and watch developments.

jane music to my ears

The number of nurses applying to the NHS from the EU has fallen by 96% since the referendum - on 46 nurses have applied.

I'm never to sure about petitions or how much good they can do but I do think the Brexit negotiations should be cross party and this is one asking for that.

The Prime Minister, Theresa May
Brexit negotiations should be conducted by a multi-party committee

Survation 10 June

Following the General Election Theresa May should

Resign as Prime Minister 49%
Not resign as Prime Minister 38%

Yes i saw that gg

I've signed your petition

You've probably seen this before, but it's worth a repeat

www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXVVCT4Jcs8

GG, 'be signed too,

Thanks daphnedill, a good explanation.

You're welcome. I can't help thinking that turning the clock back a year would make life a bit simpler - although probably not so full of surprises.

Hopefully signing will just add to the messages they are getting - this is certainly interesting.

Tory and Labour MPs plot secret deal to ensure soft Brexit

There seemed to be some debate on the paper review as to whether the talks were that secret but I shall just be glad if they are talking. In the middle of the article it also says:

Labour is expected to use the talks as leverage to demand an end to the public sector pay freeze among a series of concessions in next week’s Queen’s Speech at the State Opening of Parliament.

It's a 'premium' article so I can't read it all but perhaps someone else will be able to.

Here's an excellent article by Paul Mason, saying why it's the end of Brexit and neoliberalism.

www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2017/jun/12/paul-mason-jeremy-corbyn-defeat-ruling-elite-antonio-gramsci

Secret talks, eh, GracesGran?
Not another lot of secret talks!

I don't know why they have to be secret. I think an awful lot of the public just want them to get together and get on with whatever 'it' is going to be.

Wow Jen that is a powerful and beautiful article - and strangely soothing