Is it too late for a U turn on Brexit or at least watering it down?

Yes!! Like me then with phone!

Had to grin at May talking in France about a United Britain.. Her programme is obviously not up to date

There are actually a couple of petitions and the like going round saying that the GE showed that there was no appetite for a hard Brexit etc. There is one being done by the ALDE group of the EU --- Guy Verhofstadt and I thick Michel Barnier. I had it sent to me and signed it - if you are interested I would think googling it would find it.

Cheers WW will take a look

So I googled it but couldn't see that petition

Luckygirl does have a point on both sides in the referendum there was misinformation and scaremongering. The REMAIN campaign was complacent but as time has shown mostly true. The LEAVE campaign told some truly blatant lies. So how were we to really know what was best at the time. I voted REMAIN as did nearly all my friends and in hindsight still feel that was the right decision. The whole thing was a fiasco, the result unsound and in reality the consequences dire. If the youth vote had bothered to vote last June the referendum would likely have gone the other way. After the general election it has become evident just how flawed Brexit is. It looks like we are going after a Soft rather than a Hard Brexit. For a soft Brexit we have to agree to free movement of people and pay a part of the membership bill with little say in what's going on. That's how it is likely to be, most of us don't like it. The only logical way forward is to admit that Brexit was an awful mistake and hope that too much damage has not already been done.

With Brexit say good bye to so many jobs, years of struggle which has already started. Why can't the Leaders of both the Conservative and Labour parties understand this? Perhaps they do but do not know how to admit they may be wrong. TM goes on about the "Will of the People" the election result showed that has almost certainly changed.

I suspect that a majority of MP's think that way too but lack the courage to say so. Parliament has the power to act but probably not the will.

The Referendum was held the same weekend as Glastonbury - don't suppose too many of them realised about postal votes till too late.

Will look for a link to the petitionsWW

Cheers

i tried to do the link for you - it worked when I used the Facebook one but not when I copied and pasted it here!!

I'll keep looking thank you

Brussels arguing that the election showed that the British certainly don't want a hard Brexit and questionable whether they want Brexit it at all. The Tories internal cat fight is poison and ruining everything.

It was ever thus

There appears to have been a clear out if staff from David Davis Brexit offices. The talks start on Monday!!

I've just sent this by email to my MP who is labour. It may be ignored but then again he may take it to heart and start a quiet revolution.

Dear Mr Esterson

The UKIP vote has collapsed after UKIP and the Tory right caused absolute mayhem. The "Will of the People" as expressed on 23rd June 2016 appears to have changed. The Majority of MP's at the time of the referendum chose REMAIN, most of those and most of the new intake probably wish the referendum had gone the other way. EU leaders have said that the Article 50 process can be stopped and Britain can stay in the EU. A few MP's have been brave enough to question Brexit. Parliament collectively has the ability to do what is right for the country, there will be shouts from the dregs of UKIP but on balance most of the population would be relieved.

Please consider what I have said and ask your colleagues, cross party, how they feel. The Brexiteers are running scared, now is the time for parliament to flex its muscle on behalf of the country.

Kind Regards

My real name and address was supplied to him. You too could write to your MP in similar vane if this is the way you feel.

varian - no-one "misled" me. I ignored the campaigns and did my own extensive research.

I have written to my MP asking that he support the notion that the Brexit negotiations should be supported by proper cross-party consultation.

However, what a waste of time! - I have just listened to the news and TM says the negotiations will start on schedule and consist of the plan as before - who is this crazy woman? I truly despair.

Let's face it we are being run by the Daily Fail.

It is now getting more and more farce like.

So what on earth are they doing!!???

To add to the total chaos - 4 ministers in the Dept. Of ex-EU. 2 of whom have been shown the door. The Treasury minister for liaising with the City over Brexit is also gone. Does anyone know what they are doing?
A EU diplomat in London said -not very diplomatically
"You dont even know what you want any more, let alone how to get it"

We have tried to start talks but were sent home with our tail between our legs as Barnier quite rightly said. You have no government - we will only talk to a mandated government.

What on earth did we expect??

Vote Tory vote for disaster and chaos

So Maybot has announced "i am sticking to my blue print"

Is no one listening??

I truly believe that some Brexiters will take us out of the EU regardless of what happens to the UK.

SOMEONE NEEDS TO STAND UP AND MAKE THEM LISTEN

I agree WW. No one is taking any notice of what is being said and just sticking to the mantra of the 'will of the people' and the small majority. What is this 82% they are now pretending about? The electorate really had no choice about what they were voting for as there was no major party standing to Remain- even the LD were only going to have a vote on any agreement. They were all too afraid of losing votes.

They are lying and simply plain wrong. Any analysis of the voting pattern will show them that this is not the case. In fact it could be argued that the majority want at the very least a rethink as to where we are going

The 82% is the percentage that voted for Labour and conservative added together. They forget that only 2% voted UKIP compared to the 15% back in 2015. Talking to friends who voted labour they generally did not support Brexit. There is a lemming like air of resignation about the whole wretched business. As Welshwife has said the "Will of the People" is now utterly discredited. We need another Churchhil prepared to speak out. Even Anna Soubry accepts that the cause is lost. Though I wrote my MP I doubt that he will do anything. Ken Clarke has gone quiet, Chuka Moona is silent.

Most of my family think I should shut and accept the "Will of the People".

I have just read an article but failed to get a posted link to work which basically says it was to protect those with offshore trusts evading tax. The EU were looking at changing the system so that the trusts paid tax wherever they were. Cameron failed to get them to agree that trusts were different to other forms of corporate tax evasion so he then decided to call the referendum. It emerged of course in the Panama Papers that his father had some of these trusts.
So people the population of the U.K. are suffering all this upset and worry plus the austerity just so that these very rich media moguls
and others can continue with their tax evasion. Not surprising then that they are taking no notice at all of the views of the experts and population. (Veritas et Libertas is where I found the article which has a couple of other links within it)

That's ridiculous, though, Cindersdad.
Not all people who voted Labour voted for us to leave, just because the leaders have said they accept the referendum.

Here's a link to the four different types of Brexit and what experts in Switzerland, Norway and Canada think.

theconversation.com/britains-brexit-options-a-refresh-79364

Anyone else think it's time the politicians listened to the experts? After all, not listening has got us into the trap of probably having to go with WTO Brexit.

Was it this one, Welshwife?
Not nitpicking, but how reliable is the source?

veritasetlibertasdeannolxxxix.wordpress.com/2017/06/03/10/

1 There were certainly people who voted Leave, because they wanted to avoid EU regulation on tax, but I doubt if many Leavers have that kind of wealth. Some of the powerful people who bank rolled Leave did, however, have vested interests.

2 Social media was full of people who said they voted Labour, because they thought Brexit would be "softer". They would prefer to abandon the whole thing, but voted for the least bad option. There are a number of petitions and model letters online to persuade Labour to abandon Brexit.