A Labour Government.

Some people have to make things up, GracesGran. Otherwise there would be nothing to complain about.
Perhaps they need courses on the difference between fiction and reality.

I thought the interview with Corbyn and Peston was excellent. I used to think Corbyn looked taken aback by some of the silly questions on this as if he couldn't believe the journalists were just chiming out the Conservative claims. Now we can see that so many Conservatives - front benchers, including Therasa May - had also voted against many of the Bills they were 'accusing' Jeremy Corbyn of ... sin of sins ... voting against.

I thought the interview with Corbyn and Peston was excellent. I used to think Corbyn looked taken aback by some of the silly questions on this as if he couldn't believe the journalists were just chiming out the Conservative claims. Now we can see that so many Conservatives - front benchers, including Therasa May - had also voted against many of the Bills they were 'accusing' Jeremy Corbyn of ... sin of sins ... voting against.

I have no idea how that happened. Perhaps the universe wanted to emphasise that absolute dogs breakfast these attacks on Corbyn's voting are.

Those who describe the shadow cabinet as incompetent, or worse, need to take a look at the people who May appointed:

Jeremy Hunt - a man whose contribution to a book re the NHS agreed with the thrust of the argument which was that the NHS should be dismantled, and who, perhaps unsurprisingly, has single-handedly alienated practically everyone in the NHS, including senior doctors;

Boris Johnson - someone who wrote two articles about Brexit and then, presumably weighing up which choice would make him most electable as PM, opted for supporting Leave. On appointment to Foreign Secretary, he has continued to be shifty and an embarrassment;

Andrea Leadson - who has been described by many sources as completely out of her depth in her environment job. She is quoted as saying: "When I first came to this job one of my two questions was: 'Is climate change real?' and the other was 'Is hydraulic fracturing ["fracking"] safe?' And on both of those questions I am now completely persuaded."

Liz Truss - Has been criticised for her ineffectiveness and for her lack of knowledge of the law: "England’s most senior judge Lord Thomas used a select committee last month to claim Ministry of Justice officials had “misunderstood” a rape case evidence reform announcement “completely,”

"..the cross-party Justice Select Committee panned her plans for prison league tables claiming they were “not a useful means” to assess prison performance and would “mask” problems within jails.

Justine Greening - who continues to argue for grammar schools on the basis of them increasing social mobility when all the research demonstrates that it does the exact opposite;

Liam Fox - who was forced to resign in disgrace on a number of counts, including breaking regulations regarding security and irregular conduct with regard to rental income and travel expenses for his best friend Adam Werritty.

Thanks Eloethan. That clarifies the amount of spin the media pours out that this is a competent government.

I just wonder if wearing the right suit, etc., matters more to some people.

I watched the interview with Corbyn and Peston, how anyone can possibly read into that thAt Corbyn came out well, beggars belief. It was Abbot that said her views had changed as well as her hairstyle, not Rudd. That in itself is laughable, along with her sending her only son to the best school, whilst denouncing them, whilst there are pictures of Corbyn with IRA members, which hopefully make the front page. Those views and ideology are what makes them. We need a government that can weed out the people who don't work as opposed to those that won't , if there are mobility issues nearly everything is computer based anyway, that's a big market, look at how much time claimants spend on their computers, they couldn't do that if they were not capable. Benefits are for those truly in need. That is why I support Conservative, their policies.
There are certain people on this thread who seem to opened all day looking through newspapers looking at spurious speculations, which when you open the item mentioned are a lot if froth and bubble, no substance. Most of us haven't the time for that.

LL, fortunately we live in a democracy and there is more than one party to represent the different views. Please read Eloethan's post above to see why many don't share your opinion of the Tory party.

"Benefits are for those truly in need." Really, luckylegs?

So obviously not for the 4 million children living in poverty, as the tories have changed the definition of poverty.
2/3 of those children are in in-work families, but not in need of benefits, obviously, otherwise they wouldn't be in poverty.

I find it disgusting that someone can support this government on their benefits record.
How many disabled have had their motability cars taken away from them so they can no longer go to work?
I suppose you believe the tory mantra that work pays, do you?
Obviously it doesn't for those disabled people.

How many people have committed suicide because they have had their benefits taken away?
I guess you don't have time to read about those in your pleasant benefit-free land.
I am sure you sleep much better at night than the record number of homeless.

www.endchildpoverty.org.uk/what-we-stand-for/

mss.carto.com/viz/b5cd6e7e-a36d-11e6-9889-0e05a8b3e3d7/embed_map

So you can see how many children you need to avoid in your area, luckylegs.

I think what LL and those like her mean Jen, is that "benefits are only for those I believe to be in need". Often this is usually followed by in depth knowledge of the income and health of various people that, through some crystal ball, they 'know' about. It's horrible but I doubt such people will stop their baseless judgements any time soon.

I shall ignore the bits about Corybn. If LL has made up her mind I doubt anyone will persuade her otherwise.

Luckylegs - I spent a large chunk of my career working with the benefits system on behalf of people in poverty. There are far more people who do NOT get the benefits they are entitled to than many believe. I have worked with so many people whose financial and personal circumstances are dire but who try and avoid using benefits put of pride.

I was, with others, instrumental in getting a change in the rules to what was then Attendance Allowance, because many people with brain injury fell though the net of the system because there was nothing to see - no visible disability. You cannot make judgements on people about their use of the system without truly understanding the problems they have.

Yes, there are "feckless" people who piggyback on the system to support their idleness, but in a 30 year career I can remember exactly who these people were, in spite of seeing thousands of people - I remember them because they were such a tiny minority.

I hate to see people who are in poverty judged out of hand. I would like to see a system that is humane and caring.

durhamjen Sun 28-May-17 16:55:25

" If you think Blair was a normal labour leader, roses, it just shows some of us were right not to support him.
I know tories and liberals who voted for him."

Yes, it has been noted on many threads you did not support the Labour Party for many years durhamjen, others too. You returned because of Corbyn.

What I don't understand is the persistent barbed comments to
Anniebach because she is saying she does not support the Labour Leader , as you and others happily lay claim to have done in the past.

The difference as I see it those who did not like Blair as Leader turned their back on the Labour Party, even told us which party to vote for and not vote Labour. Anniebach does not like the Labour Leader but has not turned her back on the Labour Party and is not telling posters to vote for other parties.

Now I know the other persistent barbed comment will follow that I am a Tory and 'egging Anniebach on' but that is not the case. I can spot hypocrisy when I see it.

By the way I did vote for Tony Blair as I too have mentioned on many threads over the years. I also voted for Margaret Thatcher. I will debate a point but I would never ' tell' somebody how they should vote it is not my business!

Puzzling how I cannot be a socialist because I dislike Corbyn but Jen left the party for at least sixteen years yet has always been a socialist , I am still with the Labour Party, didn't have to buy my vote for three quid , have paid my dues every year for fifty years , this for me is party loyalty, I was not a wilsonite, a Footite, a Kinnockite, a Blairite and am not a Corbynite , I am a member of the Labour Party ,this is the first party leader I cannot support but I still support the party just as those on the Corbyn hit list do.

Labour have definitely won Jo Cox's seat.
The Tory candidate actually said, "We've not yet shot anybody...."

I thought you were proud to be Welsh Labour, Annie, not Labour.

theconversation.com/welsh-labour-is-distancing-itself-from-corbyn-but-its-manifesto-reveals-shared-ambitions-78118

Which sixteen years did I leave the Labour party for? Perhaps you can remind me.

The sixteen years from Blair becoming leader to the end of the last labour government Jen, all those Centre left Blairites ?

I am Welsh labour but you said recently - no such thing,it's labour , deal with it.

You'll find that most people who disliked Blair and what he did found someone else to vote for after the Iraq war, not when he first became leader.
If we had not voted for him the first time, when he was kidding us he was a socialist, he would not have been PM.

Blair has not said anything about the Manchester shootings. Possibly because he was warned something like this would happen before he went to war. He ignored the warning.

Your maths is a bit too simplistic.

I thought you would have enjoyed reading about Welsh Labour in that link I gave you, but never mind.

The labour manifesto reminds me of the type of letters I wrote to Santa when I was a child; things I wished I could have but knew my parents couldn't afford. The country can't afford Corbyn's wish list either.

As for TB, he didn't decide on his own to go to war. He had support from his own party and the conservatives. Blair and the Iraq war aren't responsible for the what happened in Manchester. The Iraq war isn't the reason this happened, these monsters don't need a 'reason' to kill and maim they do it because they're wicked and completely lacking in humanity.

No, TB hasn't said anything about this atrocity probably because he realises he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

It is amazing and very telling about media hype, but the more Corbyn is televised and listened to, the more his star rises.

Loved the cartoon today

"Some advise on basing your election on a personality cult - first get someone with a personality"

ww I want to see this cartoon - please post a link!

I thought you had said you didn't vote for Blair, so you voted for him twice but not the third time?

Why put on a link about Welsh labour when you have said there is no such thing and told me to deal with it?

When I read some of the deeply prejudicial offensive remarks about the disabled I shuddered at the insentive motive and brainwashing that goes on in our society. One of my son in laws had a terrific accident and cannot walk very far. He has good IT skills and he like us, believed it would not be difficult to obtain a good job working from home. It has not been easy, he keeps trying but obtaining a full time job seems impossible, so he has to rely on casual freelance work to top up his benefit, resulting in many horrible arguments with DWP.

Luckylegs9, if that is what make you a Conservative then god help this country if your such selfish attitudes are the norm for being a Conservative.