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Pollsters predict shock Tory Losses

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GracesGranMK2 Tue 30-May-17 22:42:27

YouGov estimate points to hung parliament with 20 fewer seats for May

Its only one poll but a very large one predicting a Conservative Party loss of 20 seats and Labour gain of nearly 30 leading to a hung parliament.

Anniebach Thu 01-Jun-17 14:07:33

The Libs have said they will not work in a coalition with Corbyn

durhamjen Thu 01-Jun-17 13:58:53

This is what the election is about, not just Brexit.

think-left.org/2017/05/31/the-brexit-plus-thats-what-the-election-is-about/

Hopefully, the voters will notice.

durhamjen Thu 01-Jun-17 12:31:42

I never thought I would agree with Thatcher.

twitter.com/SKZCartoons/status/870010105114361856/photo/1

durhamjen Thu 01-Jun-17 12:22:47

Boris just lost a few more votes. He refuses to condemn trump for backing out of climate change agreements.

durhamjen Thu 01-Jun-17 12:20:57

Someone has just said that May will be best for our leaders in the City. Says it all, really.

Tegan2 Thu 01-Jun-17 12:14:20

I'm rather amused that the very rich people who backed brexit because they wanted to become even richer [the despicable Aaron Banks for example] may find that the money saved from brexit that would 'go to the people' may actually go to said people and not to them if we get a Labour/LibDem/SNP coalition....

Tegan2 Thu 01-Jun-17 12:10:36

Given that brexit [imo] was a protest vote against austerity it seems to me that this election is going pretty much the same way. That and the fact that 'take back control' was a superbly clever soundbite/slogan for brexit but 'strong and stable' hasn't worked. Just goes to show how important marketing is these days [and has been since the Thatcher era].

whitewave Thu 01-Jun-17 11:51:37

Probably notsad

ninny Thu 01-Jun-17 11:50:09

Has Yougov ever got it right before, genuine question.

whitewave Thu 01-Jun-17 11:48:43

Reading and listening to those supporting Labour -it seems to me that they have lost and will continue to loose far more under the hammer of the Tories than the wealthy will ever do under Labour

durhamjen Thu 01-Jun-17 11:40:55

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/01/why-young-voters-are-backing-jeremy-corbyn-labour

To cheer you up, angelab.

Maggiemaybe Thu 01-Jun-17 11:34:41

We'll know soon enough, angelab. shock

angelab Thu 01-Jun-17 11:03:45

These polls scare me - after what's happened in recent times I sincerely hope they're not completely wrong again.

sarahellenwhitney Thu 01-Jun-17 11:01:17

GracesGranMK2
'e' maybe be a Cornish boyo!grin

Ana Thu 01-Jun-17 10:44:30

Calm down...you know what you were like last time.

whitewave Thu 01-Jun-17 10:41:26

Oh oh oh

Gap narrowed to 3 points. I dont dare hope

whitewave Thu 01-Jun-17 10:37:01

Jeers for Rudd, cheers for Corbyn.

I fervently hope it translates into votes.

See the Daily Trash and Telegraph are going into hysterics - lies? What lies?

Maggiemaybe Thu 01-Jun-17 10:28:47

I have no reason to doubt that last night's debate had, as stated at the start, a carefully chosen balanced audience. Do you really think they were lying, Marieeliz? Corbyn does have some very loud enthusiastic supporters, but I also think he represented the Labour party well last night and deserved the support he got. Others on the panel did their job too - Tim Farron was well prepared and Leanne Wood and Caroline Lucas got their points over. I felt quite sorry for Amber Rudd for being put in the difficult position of having to speak for Theresa May and for having to defend her absence, but she didn't do well, in my opinion.

varian Thu 01-Jun-17 09:56:57

We went to a local hustings as we have done at previous general elections. Usually all the candidates have supporters who cheer them on. This time there hardly seemed to be any Tories in the audience. The other candidates all spoke well and were applauded a lot, especially the LibDem who is the main challenger.

The only time the Tory, who has been the MP since 2015, got any applause was when he said he had rebelled against the government because he wanted to admit more refugees and supported the Dubbs amendment.

In spite of this, I expect he will win. There is no UKIP candidate and the Greens and Labour will get votes which might have helped the LibDem to win. This audience was not selected by the BBC. The usual Tory supporters didn't turn up because they are smug and complacent.

rosesarered Thu 01-Jun-17 09:41:45

If they say that it was a properly divided into groups audience then I believe them,
The answer lies in the eagerness of Corbyn supporters to be as noisy as possible
As in the audience for the Paxman interviews.They just make the most noise.

durhamjen Thu 01-Jun-17 09:33:44

That debate last night was NOT filled with Labour supporters. They explained at the beginning how they got their audience. Strangely, Boris thinks that, too.
All the Cambridge seats are Tory with Libdem being in the best position to take the seats. So where on earth they got all these Labour supporters from, I don't know, although I do know people who live there who are socialist. They weren't there.

GracesGranMK2 Thu 01-Jun-17 09:06:52

Marieeliz give me the figures that prove this and I will agree with you otherwise what you are expressing is a prejudice - it is not fact.

Do you think the economy of Canada is bankrupt - it is not.
Do you think the economy of Sweden is bankrupt - far from it.

So why do you thing that spending the same percentage of GDP as Canada and far, far less than Sweden, in order to expand our infrastructure and therefore our income will have such a dire outcome? You do not know and you cannot say but you still expect us to accept your prejudice (an opinion not based on fact).

GracesGranMK2 Thu 01-Jun-17 09:02:09

Sadly when the Tories took office the economy was back into strong growth with the expectation that the extra receipts to the revenue would pay off the debt. Austerity cut growth dead in its tracks.

The Tories are useless when it comes to the economy

I agree with Anya that you will not convince many of those who have been brainwashed by our media but this truth should be repeated at regular intervals. One or two may listen.

Marieeliz Thu 01-Jun-17 08:57:49

To all you Lefties and Guardian readers on this thread. Can you not see how bankrupt the country would be if Corbin did everything he says he will do? Same old same old they get in spend all the money we haven't got and then Conservatives have to come in and try and pull things back. By the way why do you keep calling them Tories, and Socialists not Socialists, it should either be that or Conservatives and Labour. That debate last night was filled with Labour supporters usual for these debates and I am not surprised T.May would not take part in it. You will all come ranting now. Luckily I am off to Canada for two weeks. I have already voted though.

mcem Thu 01-Jun-17 08:40:15

dj made several very specific points so roses how about choosing a few to address individually instead of yourvague and useless dismissal?