Pollsters predict shock Tory Losses

I admit to being surprised myself when I read the figures.

WW you won't convince those who get their facts from dubious sources.

The facts are all published in government websites for all to see, but those who just read certain papers or listen to uninformed friends and family will be totally ignorant of the true facts.

Sadly when the Tories took office the economy was back into strong growth with the expectation that the extra receipts to the revenue would pay off the debt. Austerity cut growth dead in its tracks.

The Tories are useless when it comes to the economy

The national debt is higher now than it's ever been. The deficit is lower than it was.

The latter is lower because of increased borrowing.

Anyone can borrow. It takes raising your income to get out of debt and cutting down on expenditure. Sadly the cutting down is at the expense of the vulnerable, the disabled and the poor. Raising your income politically means investment and raising taxes, but that ain't popular, especially with the rich and super-rich. It also means getting companies to actually pay what they owe.

I'm not being sarcastic, I think if you look at my record on GN, politically at least, I simply address the issues.

POGS,

"we do not know what the dementia tax will do - unless you know something the rest of us don't.

The £100,000 was a floor; there is now also going to be a ceiling. Don't know what it is. Don't know what happens in the middle."

Well as you said on another thread you have a relative in residential care, was it your mother-in-law?

Having been through the process of funding for residential care I would assume you are in the same position as many posters have found ourselves in and know the limit as it stands is £23.000.00.

As for your comment, "unless you know something we don't" then I have no idea what you mean , other than you are being sarcastic. I do know you and others have given 'far more ' commentary about the proposal than myself so I could ask "What do you know the rest of us don't".

I will stand by my post of 21.00 . I am confused by the position of some posters who have persistently complained and virtue signalled about the 'wealthy' not paying up, getting more than their fair share over the poorest in society yet they seem to be the ones who are all of a sudden finding this proposal, the triple lock possibly going outrageous.

If the remit of the proposal is the topic of debate, namely funding, it's a tad hypocritical in my opinion but that will no doubt be challenged by more sarcasm as has become par for the course .

Let's also say what the heck would the deficit be if there hadn't been any cuts.

" Say Jeremy Corbyn had been the Home Secretary for six years, during which time he slashed some 20,000 police jobs taking us back to 1970s levels of per capita policing.
Let’s say he also slashed the UK Border Agency budget so that over a million people per month were coming and going through UK airports without being properly checked….
Let’s say by virtue of an extremely self-serving EU referendum non-campaign he managed to get into 10 Downing Street, where he kept up his agenda of cutting the UK security services and border agency.
Then there’s a home-grown terrorist attack by a known Islamist fanatic in a city where Corbyn had cut the police budget by £157 million.
Let’s say Jeremy Corbyn “lost” files on an internal paedophile ring.
Let’s say he wanted to take the homes from the elderly.
Let’s say he cut 30% of your loved one’s disabled benefit.
Let’s say he signed an arms deal with the (ISIS-funding) Saudis worth millions.
Let’s say he wanted to take away your child’s free school meal.
Let’s say he forced NHS staff to use food banks.
Let’s say he made so many cuts to the NHS that people are suffering waiting for ambulances and A&E doctors.
Let’s say he went against doctors, nurses, teachers, fire fighters, the armed forces…
Let’s say he took away funding for University for upcoming doctors and nurses.
Let’s say after all these cuts there’s still a deficit and he’d missed every target he’d set himself for reducing it.
What would you have to say about Jeremy Corbyn under these circumstances?
– And why then are you not saying those things about Theresa May and the Tories right now?
Surely, there is only one choice when you have this evidence in front of you? "

I truely hope the Poll is correct. I fear for the old, poor and sick people of this country. Don't tell me we cannot afford care. If we can afford Brexit we can afford to pay for the old, poor and sick.

POGS, we do not know what the dementia tax will do - unless you know something the rest of us don't.
The £100,000 was a floor; there is now also going to be a ceiling. Don't know what it is. Don't know what happens in the middle.

I read that the care amount will go down to £100,000 providing people take out private insurance, much of that organised by L&G, the company that Philip May works for.
Once the care system has taken its cut down to £100,000 the insurance company can take its share.

I see the I'm all right jack brigade are here ....scared a different government will want some of "their money" for benefits for all that seething mass of poverty ridden scum! There nothing worse than someone who has got on a wee bit in their life and forgets exactly WHERE they came from.

The so called ' dementia tax' keeps rearing it's head and I understand why.

BUT I am confused at times by those who feel it is a disgrace to take somebody's finances and property into the equation if they require residential care until £100.000.00 is left in their estate/finances when the figure is only £23.000.00 at present.

At the moment there are individuals in residential care, plenty of families over so many years sadly with their loved ones no longer alive , who are paying for their care, did pay for their care, until they will have / had the princely sum of £23.000.00 left in their name. Those individuals / families will be better off under the new proposal , if ever it came into play!

So the argument of finding it's a disgrace when the figure is 4 times higher baffles me.

I fully understand the argument and genuine concern of the proposal to make funding for ' home care ' as it is for ' residential care ' but is it not levelling the playing field so to speak?

Those who are not in the position of having property or finances over £100.000.00 will be in no worse a position .

We could all say care should be free , we could all say we want our hard earned finances to be our children's inheritance in full but as we post this not the case for many , under various governments and I reiterate I don't understand the voices that chastise a proposal to 'higher' the limit which is after all the proposal.

Double sigh...

And isn't it 'hear, hear'? The other version makes no sense.

Sigh.

DorothyL. I'll second that. Grannies get out and vote, and get rid of the party of the rich and vote for a more equal society.

Here here Dorothy!

Please please please don't let Theresa May and the Tories win this election.
Whoever replaces her (and let's face it, she's out), the Tories have for the last 7 years doubled national debt, foisted austerity on all of us, handed out perks and freebies to rich tax avoiders and are destroying our nhs, our schools, our country!

Meanwhile they are quite open about their plans for the future:
-No more money for the NHS (in fact they have plans to privatise it).
-Dementia tax to steal our homes and rob our kids of inheritance.
-Stop the winter fuel allowance.
-No promise not to raise income tax BUT tax cuts and inheritance tax cuts for corporations and the richest.
-Grammar schools to take us all back to the dreadful days of second class secondary modern education.
End school lunches and replace with 6.8p per child breakfast!
-Cut MORE police (they already cut 20,000!).
-Bring back fox hunting!!

For god's sake please don't vote for them - Vote Labour!
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Indeed GGMK2. Although the figures for the last tv debate reached less than 3 million, that's rather more undecided voters than the lemmings that will turn up to hear her preaching to the converted. Hope it all comes back to bite her on the backside!

Oh dear - you couldn't make it up! Theresa May is not taking part in the debate because ... she "would rather be out meeting voters".

So that would be only Conservative ones then, just as she has so far.

You are not Poppsbaggie and thankfully more are saying so. It's just arrogant to think votes are 'in the bag'

I am sure the Conservatives do not want to get onto the economy as they have broken it except for the top few percent newnanny.

"Unemployment is falling". I don't think it is in the way that this would have meant at one time and I think anyone who is working, has children of grandchildren who are working will be aware of this. This is not entirely the fault of the Conservative Party but they have used and abused it to the advantage of pursuing their ideology.

"The economy continues to grow" Not very well for the sacrifices everyone has made! I think keeping quiet is what the Tories have decided to do as there has been plenty of reporting on the difficulties that will come with Brexit. Again, not entirely the fault of the Conservatives but May went all out to say we would do everything she thought would get her votes.

I don't think they want to make fools of themselves. They haven't even attempted to cost their manifesto. For once I think people - not all but many - are seeing the Conservatives for what they are - rubbish at running the economy if you consider the economy should be run for the sake of the citizens of this country.

I believe, as do many, TM called this election because she thought she was going to get a hugely enlarged majority, even after saying, at least six times, that she would not do so "bad for stability" blah de blah, and then to introduce a 'dementia tax' was arrogance beyond belief. And I can't be the only one who objects to the assumption that as a pensioner, I will be voting Tory?

I cant understand why neither party is saying much about the economy. In previous elections that was the main issue. Unemployment is falling and the economy continues to grow albeit not as fast as we would like and latest trade figures are strong yet we hear nothing of this from either party. May goes on and on about Brexit and Corbyn goes on and on about NHS and redistribution of wealth. I think in this election both main parties have tried to woo voters they do not normally get votes from; Corbyn is wooing elderly with triple lock and winter fuel payments and May is wooing young by only having double lock and means testing winter fuel payments. I don't think triple or double lock will make much difference as inflation figure will be used by both. I wonder what Nicola will have to say this evening in debate?

If you stop and think about it - I wonder about democracy in this country. Corbyn has up to now been totally drowned out by the entire media, and been subject to lies and innuendo since he became leader.

He has a few short weeks when he has had the opportunity to speak to people directly and look what is happening!!

Sadly I don't think he will have enough time to get his message across particularly with the gutter press and BBC bias.
Democracy is dying in this country.

Caroline64 I agree about the bias in the BBC. Like you say they seemed to treat Jeremy Corbyn as a bit of a joke - which just shows that many people think what we have had for the past seven years could never have been different and that they do not know the feelings of the country.

Just as they misunderstood the EU referendum I feel they are misunderstanding this. I was so cross this morning that I rang to complain. They were commenting on the new poll and explaining what the Conservatives might get in terms of seats and said that "on a good day the might get (high number)" and "on a bad day (low number)". I pointed out that a high number of seats would not be a "good day" for those voting for other parties.

I don't think they have any concept that people think differently because they have the same sense of entitlement that the Conservatives do.

Caroline64 I think that it is beginning to backfire. People are watching him speak now and then reading the papers or seeing news reports and not recognising the report of what they saw for themselves. It is making people aware of how unfair the press has been about him from the beginning.
Add to that the Tories strangely going to ground during this campaign, it has all been a little odd.
It feels as if this campaign has been going on for more than a few weeks.