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Pollsters predict shock Tory Losses

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GracesGranMK2 Tue 30-May-17 22:42:27

YouGov estimate points to hung parliament with 20 fewer seats for May

Its only one poll but a very large one predicting a Conservative Party loss of 20 seats and Labour gain of nearly 30 leading to a hung parliament.

Jane10 Wed 31-May-17 16:48:17

I gave up in You Gov too. The format of questions seemed to funnel choices in a way I didn't like. I also got fed up with the the TV and shopping stuff. The money side of things could easily skew typical responders.

ninny Wed 31-May-17 16:44:39

Never realised you got paid for Yougov polls. That's probably why they are never correct.

Caroline64 Wed 31-May-17 16:34:37

I have always believed that the BBC was not biased politically - or not actively so. However for the first time I am getting annoyed by them and their determination to undermine Jeremy Corbyn. Now I am not a fan of his - I had never heard of him and think that Ed Balls or David Miliband would have made decent PMs... But I also studied Politics many moons ago and know full well that it is the Civil Servants that do most of the work of government. I will still be voting Lib Dem however!

Jaycee5 Wed 31-May-17 16:01:20

daphnedill I agree about the LVT. It is not in the manifesto but is something that Labour will consider. To call it a granny tax and throw out large figures that are based on an assumed rate and assumed threshold is ridiculous and just scaremongering.

Jaycee5 Wed 31-May-17 15:59:15

Legs55 I used to do YouGov polls but virtually never got asked any political questions and the number of points you have to get to receive any money is ridiculous. Someone online recommended Populus so I tried them and they don't ask as many questions when you sign up so I think that they are more balanced - and I have already had £100 after just a year. Their polls are also shorter. I got fed up with YouGov asking me about TV programmes.

whitewave Wed 31-May-17 15:28:42

If this really is likely to happen it will definately worth voting tactically

daphnedill Wed 31-May-17 14:47:37

May thought that Thatcher said, "The lady's not for turning up."

Not sure where the 'up' came from.hmm

Legs55 Wed 31-May-17 14:35:43

I do YouGov Polls on line. I do answer honestly but wonder if some don't or answer the questions based on their mood on the day ie if they've heard some-thing they don't like. I have done my Postal Vote so nothing will change my mind but I have in the past gone to vote wavering between 2 candidates only making my mind up when in the Polling Booth

daphnedill Wed 31-May-17 14:29:14

There are still £12bn of cuts in the pipeline, so I don't see that they could cut much more. There will be a slight decrease in benefit payments, as increased pension ages work their way through the system.

We are all paying the price now for under-investment and a "rentier" economy..

whitewave Wed 31-May-17 14:26:30

grin dd

whitewave Wed 31-May-17 14:25:50

It sounds an eminently sensible policy.

I think that the Tories have run out of ideas, not that they had many in the first place except bash the poor who are a drain on the system, and austerity.

daphnedill Wed 31-May-17 14:25:50

Beginning? The gutter press has been scraping forsolong that I'm surprised it hasn't worn through the wood.

Ooops! I meant council tax in wealthier areas can sometimes be less than in poorer ones.

daphnedill Wed 31-May-17 14:23:24

The other thing about a Land Value Tax is that land in Central London is worth loads more than (say) Middlesbrough, but council tax in wealthier areas can sometimes be more than in poorer ones. It would be more progressive.

It stops speculators buying up land or empty properties and doing nothing with them. It's also difficult to squirrel land away offshore!

Ana Wed 31-May-17 14:23:05

About time, it needs scrapping!

whitewave Wed 31-May-17 14:21:50

The gutter press is beginning to scrap the barrel.

daphnedill Wed 31-May-17 14:19:32

The Land Value Tax (Garden Tax) headlines are pure Daily Mail scare mongering and lies!!!!!!!!

Readthis (it's quite safe to open):

evolvepolitics.com/right-wing-press-lying-labours-land-value-tax-heres-truth/

Jaycee5 Wed 31-May-17 14:05:28

Lilyflower Where are you getting those figures from because I cannot find them anywhere.
Land value tax is not a 'granny garden' tax. It is a tax which has a great deal of support from economists:
Adam Smith 'Nothing could be more reasonable'
Milton Freeman (who is far from left wing) 'the least bad tax'
Winston Churchill
The OECD, IMF, IFS, New York Mayor, etc.
Over 30 countries have some form of Land Value Tax. Many exempt householders.

One of the main reasons that Labour wants to bring in a Land Value Tax is that it would be fairer than business rates. Anyone who has run a business will know that these can often be one of the highest expenses a business has to pay. They have had made discussions with small business organisations and business rates are one of their biggest problems.
Land Value Tax would replace council tax so that figure that you quote would have to be compared with the amount currently paid for that.

FarNorth Wed 31-May-17 13:54:06

Here's an example of Boris Johnson's excellent debating skills :

www.thecanary.co/2017/05/30/realising-jeremy-corbyn-might-actually-win-boris-johnson-loses-national-television-video/

whitewave Wed 31-May-17 13:44:34

Who on earth said Labour was responsible for the crash!!!! grin. As Trump would say FALSE NEWS!!!

daphnedill Wed 31-May-17 13:40:21

PS. Labour must have been massively more influential than I thought, if they managed to crash the whole world's economy. It was nothing to do with sub-prime mortgages in the US and Lehmann's crash, of course.hmm

daphnedill Wed 31-May-17 13:37:58

quizqueen Don't assume that people who don't have £100,000 in assets haven't attempted to provide for themselves.

Tegan2 Wed 31-May-17 13:15:51

Could put a tub of lard there or, in May's case a pair of kitten heeled shoes....

Anya Wed 31-May-17 13:13:29

Interesting that the only empty chair will be May's tonight....or will she have another U-turn hmm

Anya Wed 31-May-17 13:12:04

Nice one Wombat!

Sheilasue Wed 31-May-17 13:02:13

Think I am getting to like Mr.C liked the interview on the one show.