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Pollsters predict shock Tory Losses

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GracesGranMK2 Tue 30-May-17 22:42:27

YouGov estimate points to hung parliament with 20 fewer seats for May

Its only one poll but a very large one predicting a Conservative Party loss of 20 seats and Labour gain of nearly 30 leading to a hung parliament.

devongirl Wed 07-Jun-17 16:10:01

wrong even!

devongirl Wed 07-Jun-17 16:08:00

But they've been catastrophically wring in recent years GG which leads to disappointment or delight depending on your view of the outcome, but either way, do we really need that?

GracesGranMK2 Wed 07-Jun-17 16:04:13

I'm not sure about banning polls Rigby. With such a biased press it does give some idea what voters, rather than press backed by the rich right wing, are thinking. They are not perfect but the press is such a long way from perfect they seem to give a view which is attempting to be unbiased.

norose4 Wed 07-Jun-17 15:44:24

It really would be Rigby46, it would be like Christmas Day used to be, either a delightful surprise or a resounding disappointment πŸ˜„

Rigby46 Wed 07-Jun-17 15:40:52

norose I would absolutely love it if all polls were banned during the election. I know it won't happen but wouldn't it be great?

GracesGranMK2 Wed 07-Jun-17 15:35:44

I don't want to add to the hysteria a few on here say they are feeling but Survation where still predicting no overall win for any party at lunch time SO EVERY ANTI-MAY VOTE IS NEEDED.

They are releasing their last figures at 11 o'clock tonight apparently.

norose4 Wed 07-Jun-17 15:19:14

Well perhaps the election can be cancelled & we can all stay at home & bake a cake instead as it seems the professional pollsters have already done the calculations πŸ€” I hate these pointless & meaningless polls, it's like they are feeding us information with the intention of manipulating our thought processs & who we subsequently vote for 😑

devongirl Wed 07-Jun-17 14:38:28

What I personally worry about with the "shock Tory losses" polls is that it will encourage Condervative supporters to vote with their party to avert a Labour win/hung parliament, even thought they may have been underwhelmed or even put off by the performances of TM et al.

whitewave Wed 07-Jun-17 14:35:31

eleo yes you are right. But I don't think the signs are good.

Rigby46 Wed 07-Jun-17 14:33:06

<sigh>

Anniebach Wed 07-Jun-17 14:30:18

True roses πŸ˜€

rosesarered Wed 07-Jun-17 14:14:01

only amongst some ab wink

Anniebach Wed 07-Jun-17 13:24:53

This election campaign is so like the Trump v Clinton campaign, hysteria has set in

Eloethan Wed 07-Jun-17 13:22:53

As to the "shock Tory losses" polls, I view them with suspicion and hope that no Labour supporters are lulled into a false sense of security. We need every vote.

Eloethan Wed 07-Jun-17 13:20:26

I think the trick has been to be very vague about everything, with various people saying different things about taxation, immigration and pensions and other benefits. In that way, those who vote Conservative can't really complain if there are some very nasty surprises if the Conservatives win. The ambiguous messages are, I think, intentional.

durhamjen Sat 03-Jun-17 13:03:55

Labour's manifesto for disabled people launched today.

twitter.com/JeremyCorbyn4PM/status/870966489767084032/photo/1

Somehow, I don't think the Tories have one.

durhamjen Sat 03-Jun-17 12:33:52

Fallon said that there will be no tax rises under the Tories.
May was asked about it in Yorkshire today, and has refused to rule it out!
Is Fallon going to lose his job as well?

whitewave Sat 03-Jun-17 10:25:55

I think that this is the beginning of the end of the love affair with the evil Tories. Always supposing there was ever much of a one as they haven't won convincingly since Labour lost office.

GracesGranMK2 Sat 03-Jun-17 10:16:50

I would say only a very, very small chance Eloethan and to make it happen all the young people who have signed up to vote for the first time would have to actually do it as would every older Labour voter.

Matthew Paris, a staunch Conservative turned journalist writing in the Times today, says that this has been a stupid election; that Theresa May and her team have been insulting our intelligence with stupid slogans. He said that even if the Conservatives do win, they will have more seats but less admiration and he believes this has been an undignified campaign.

Eloethan Sat 03-Jun-17 00:40:27

I think we need to be cautious about the polls - not only can they be wrong (do the people who are selected in these polls always tell the truth about their voting intentions?) but they can also change the way people behave.

I think there is only a small chance that Labour will win. I'm sure the mainstream media will continue to do everything in its power to keep Labour out - and in these last few days will sling even more mud. Even if Labour gets in, its socialist agenda will ensure every effort will be made by the rich and powerful - both here and abroad - to sabotage it. Nevertheless, I would like to see a Labour win, despite the very significant challenges. We need to stop this toxic austerity cycle which is like letting the roof of your house fall in and your children starve in order to save money in the here and now while risking bigger financial and social problems in the future.

Welshwife Fri 02-Jun-17 21:07:23

I cannot get over how all the politicians have list their b***s and all keep stating we must leave the EU! That is so far from the truth and the more time goes on the more we see some of the predictions coming true. Problem is that even. If the UK applies to rejoin it will never have the same business etc in the City although eventually some companies may return to the UK.

Ginny42 Fri 02-Jun-17 20:23:57

Me too ww, and oh how I hope we're wrong!

whitewave Fri 02-Jun-17 20:16:45

I am absolutely dreading Brexit.

varian Fri 02-Jun-17 20:15:02

Who will ever gain anything from the potential disaster that is brexit?

Possibly some of the super-rich, billionaire tax exile newspaper proprietors - not you, me, or any of the poor fools who were conned last year into voting for a pig in a poke.

If you vote for a party which will give the British people a say on the final deal, we may still avert this disaster. Vote LibDem.

GracesGranMK2 Fri 02-Jun-17 18:02:38

Tory grandee Michael Heseltine launched a stinging attack on Johnson, saying he must answer for the consequences of the campaign to take the UK out of the EU.
β€œHe has ripped the Tory party apart, he has created the greatest constitutional crisis in peacetime in my life,” he told the BBC. β€œHe has knocked billions off the value of the savings of the British people.”

Lord Heseltine slams Boris Johnson for 'abandoning his army'