Bias on the BBC

Relax was banned in 1983.

Sorry GracesGranMK2 we've hijacked your thread.

You're right. It's a popular song and therefore should get airtime. If they wanted to the DJ could say, "The next record is not necessarily the opinion of the BBC and other Party leaders are available to be abused."

I was trying to put forward the idea that the young are voters too. I know this is a novel thought to many Conservatives but, if they are expressing their views by downloading this song then I feel we have a right to know - even if we do not like it - what it is about.

Every bit of research that has been done has shown that our media are one of the most right-wing in Europe so a little balancing would go a long way.

Was that banned by the BBC? I certainly heard it a lot on the radio at the time...

How has this thread, supposedly about BBC bias, turned into another recycling of often repeated criticisms of Jeremy Corbyn.

p.s I liked "Relax" by Frankie Goes to Hollywood.

So Adams and MacGuinness had no connections to the IRA?

I never said that but both men came to see that peace was the only way and worked to that end.

I abhor what Martin MacGuinness did as part of the IRA but admired him for having the courage to take part in the peace process. Just as I hated Maggie Thatcher but admired her for having the courage to sign the Anglo-Irish agreement. Things couldn't continue the way they were. Something had to be done and the only way was to talk to people regardless of their past.

The Catholics suffered under the unionists, those who carried out the murders in Bloody Sunday should have been jailed and those who gave the orders.

Corbyn lies when he says his support for the IRA was part of the peace process, it's a very stupid person who can campaign for British citizens to be tossed out of the UK and claim it was for peace

So Adams and MacGuinness had no connections to the IRA?

There's a rewrite of history

I had and still have no problem with a united Ireland. Neither did I have a problem with Ulster remaining part of the UK. I objected to all forms of violence whether it was due to the IRA, the UDA or the UDF. Peacefully campaigning for an alternative is legitimate in a free society so I had no problem with Sein Fein wanting independence nor the Unionists wanting to maintain the status quo.

Just as I have no problem with the Welsh and Scottish Nationalists. I would object if it got violent but arguing for national autonomy is perfectly acceptable.

If you want to use inflammatory language you could just as easily say that the Catholics had been at the mercy of the Unionists for generations. It was far more complicated than simply us and them.

Your choice of course VQ

He invited members of Sein Fein not the IRA.

And no I'm not a teenager or a member of Momentum but I still like the song. Just as I still like the Sex Pistols version of God Save the Queen, Spasticus Autisticus by Ian Dury and the Blockheads, Lola by the Kinks, Johnny Remember Me by John Leyton, Glad to be Gay by Tom Robinson and a host of other banned songs recorded by people such as George Formby, Shirley Bassey and Lulu.

So campaigning for a United Ireland was part of the peace talks ? Don't think the unionists would agree with you, they wanted to stay in the UK did they not,

Campaigning to get troups out of NI was part of the peace talks ? thus leaving the unionIsts at the mercy of the IRA ? Don't think so

VQ it's well known that Corbyn encouraged the IRA by his invitations and meetings with them, once right after the Brighton bombings, and have you not seen Diane Abbotts statement printed at the time about anything being a blow against the British State being a good thing.
Yes, the song is infantile, and unless you are a teenager or a member of Momentum( possibly both) then it simply means you hate the Conservatives enough to think it's 'great'.

It was a meeting about how to solve the Troubles, at Conway Hall btw and not a tribute night to the IRA.

Conway Hall is not just a place where meetings take place.
conwayhall.org.uk/

Why does it repeat post sometimes lol?

So if I stand on Armistice Day and remember all those who died that makes me a supporter of the NAZIs.

So if I stand on Armistice Day and remember all those who died that makes me a supporter of the NAZIs.

I do not read the DM, I do have relatives and friends in NI , I listen to them and Corbyn claimed when he attended the memorial tribute for dead IRA members he was remembering all who died. I am sure the relatives of the dead in the Birmingham pub murders, we're pleased their loved ones were remembered at a tribute to IRA members

Could you provide evidence of Corbyn supporting the IRA?

If you cannot support your arguments with evidence then you are simply repeating unsupported fabrications.

Campaigning for an IRA member serving a prison sentence for murder to be treated as a political prisoner ?

Did queenie, Thatcher, Blair do that

Attended an annual remembrance for Bobby Sands , don't think queenie was there

Do you read the DM by any chance Anniebach or do you simply choose to believe the things that support your view of Corbyn rather than the truth?

I know you don't like him. You've made that perfectly clear in previous posts however he is the elected leader of the Labour Party. If you believe in democracy then you either accept him as the leader or leave the Party. What you don't do, as many Labour MPs have, is undermine the Party from within. As to the rape and murder threats, these were proven under investigation to be false allegations. Decent MPs don't try to undermine democracy. The CLP doesn't exist to serve the sitting MP regardless of his/her treatment of said CLP or their views. If a CLP is unhappy with the actions of their MP they have the right to question and if necessary deselect that person. Again this is the democratic process in action. I suppose it all depends if someone believes in democracy or pays lip service to it when it suits them but attempts to undermine it when they don't.

Nothing wrong with songs about politics, but to encourage offensive vile rhetoric to make a political point on a personal level is wrong and horrible whoever it's aimed at.

Oh, here we go!!! I think you know perfectly well what annie was talking about. Showing support and encouragement is very different from trying to broker a peace deal.

No, not talking to Sin Fein MP's, supporting the IRA, big difference

I guess I'm infantile because I love the song. Tbh I didn't expect the BBC or any official radio station to play it. It's far too subversive for the establishment to risk getting into the mainstream.

It's OK to play songs about sex and violence but heaven forbid our children hear lyrics that have anything to do with politics.

Which Corbynites have bullied anyone on this website? If you feel you or anyone else has been bullied then you need to report it to Gransnet.

"Suppose it is difficult for a man who supported the killers of British citizens to understand the definition of kindness" Please provide the evidence for this statement.

If you mean he has spoken to and had meetings with members of the IRA then you are tarring Maggie Thatcher, Douglas Hurd, Tony Blair and the Queen with the same brush.