Looking ahead - Friday morning probably ....

Fox hunting hasn't stopped and the RSPCA will not do a thing if one reports a hunt , neither will the police.

Sorry annie I know you support the Tories, but they are intent on making it legal again. Have you missed that point?

The point is that in some areas it hasn't really stopped, as Annie says, so making it legal again woudn't make much difference.

I thought anniebach had made it perfectly plain that she supports Carwyn Jones for Welsh Labour and has been campaigning on behalf of Welsh Labour.
There are many Labour supporters, still party members, politicians, voters who do not think that Corbyn, McDonnell et al are, to use a cliché, the best thing since sliced bread and will be voting Labour through gritted teeth and with great reservations. I know some of them.
Unfortunately, most of them are not as brave as anniebach and have given up expressing their opinions out loud knowing the flack that they would receive.

and anniebach has not said that she supports foxhunting, only that it still goes on apparently.

How low will you sink Whitewave? I was right when I said there are Labour Party supporters and Corbynites, two seperate political groups.

I campaigned against fox hunting for more years than I care to count. I have filmed clubbing, been hit with s bull whip several times, had my hand slammed in a field gate , had a bloody big hunter charged at me.

Try getting off your computer , get off your backside, get into the countryside and use you mouth , legs and hands to report these hunts, the ones you brlieve have stopped.

I realy thought you were above such lies, not a good judge of character am I?

Corbynites are very unpleasant bullies, very much in the mode of McDonald ,

No particular advocate of hunting with hounds, but certainly an advocate of killing foxes to keep numbers under control. If you have ever seen the sickening devastation after foxes have got chickens you might think of them less as sweet fluffy pseudo pussy cats and more as the ruthless killers they are too. This is no longer a rural matter either, as a friend in Wandsworth had her bantams slaughtered while the family sat out on the patio having breakfast!

I meant cubbing not clubbing,

Cubbing is killing the vixen to dig out her babies

Clubbing is what happened to otters and which I also fought against , a sickening sight.

There are more humane (and cheaper) methods of killing, which don't involve adults sitting on horses, wearing silly clothes, and trained dogs.

Who's McDonald?

annie you talk as if none of us are aware of the issues of fox hunting or the fact that it still goes on. Or that we don't campaign against badger culling or the illegal killing of otters, or that none of us have campaigned against such cruelty or we campaign against the degradation of their habitat, or that we all support the Tory party.

Wake up!! Of course we are aware and fight against.

But we don't support the Tories

Sorry but the Bantams should have been fenced off. A fox does what animals do, cats hunt birds and mice to they not? No animal deserves to be chased for miles by a vicious pack of hounds - who are also badly treated - and idiots on horse back, if the fox does collapse with a burst heart or adrenalin exhaustion they are cornered and humans cheering as the hounds rip the fox to bits, any children on their first hunt are smeared with the foxes blood.

Let's kill all animals which hunt any other animal yes?

They WERE! Not exactly likely to be running free in the garden, but as it was broad daylight and there were people about they were not shut up in the henhouse. Free range.
So don't blame the victim, blame the aggressor.

Wonder if the labour MP Kate Howey will vote Tory in the hope of making fox hunting legal

No animal deserves to be chased for miles by a vicious pack of hounds - who are also badly treated - and idiots on horse back
Nobody says they do

Anniebach stop tilting at windmills AKA arguing in an empty room.

Free range can be protected, they don't need to waddle miles , seems some are reluctant to spend money on fencing , cheaper to kill the fox.

mawbroom do you think that the fox thinks -oh let's be as cruel as I can possibly be and hurt as many bantams as I can?

Of course not! Neither do cats or lions or dogs or eagles or sharks or dolphins or humans - oh no - humans definately like killing.

But all other predatory species have this inate ability to kill and want to kill. They wouldn't survive otherwise.

You cannot put that value system which we like to think we espouse onto these species.

Oh for goodness sake Annie get a grip and stop pontificating about my poor friend's ex-bantams.
Contrary to what you may believe the South Wandsworth Common Hunt was not galloping down Earlsfield Road in full cry.
BTW it could just as easily have been their cat or the children's rabbits

Let's kill birds of prey too

Quote from NYE Bevin

The NHS will last as long as there are folks willing to fight for it.

news.sky.com/story/fox-bites-off-babys-finger-in-cot-attack-10455069

Just saying
Plenty more where that came from.

How many children have been killed by dogs? Shall we kill all dogs?

Really high turnout in all the polling stations according to DH

In Llanfigan and Llanfrynach?

Somebody somewhere is losing the plot point.
Anniebach I appreciate that your emotions might be heightened today but to extrapolate from my harmless anecdote about some ex-bantams to this is , for want of a better word, silly.
Dogs which attack children ARE killed.
Could we please end this farcical pseudo discussion right here.
I am NOT a supporter of hunting.
I DO recognise the need to control foxes in the countryside
and I DO regard urban foxes as scavengers and, for the most part vermin.