Democracy hahahaha

One of the advantages of the war was actually that industries such as steel and rail had to work together for the national good - and it was seen that they were more efficient than they had been in private hands. The demise of the steel industry in the UK can't be blamed on nationalisation, but world markets. Any A level Economics student will tell you why rail cannot work well in private hands. There is no genuine competitive market in rail travel.

Didn't David Cameron once claim that he carried the Liam Byrne note in his pocket (he certainly quoted it often enough!). I wonder if he passed it on to Theresa May when he skipped out of office?

It is traditional to leave the kind of note Liam Byrne did and wrongbthat it's been used as it has.
onneker, I don't see myself as curmudgeonly and I'm delighted to acknowledge my fears about Jeremy not being able to persuade large numbers to vote Labour were misplaced. He ran a good campaign , seemed to enjoy and presented a less irritable, much warmer personality which fitted the LP's positive manifesto.

I know things move on quickly but can I just say hello to roses are red. I hope you're having a good holiday and weren't hurt by an unpleasant and unnecessary remark.

Thank you Nandalot for reminding Lucky that the Liam Byrne comment was an "in" joke for treasury ministers and leaked by an unpleasant Lib Dem. Unfortunately it gained traction and is even now causing Liam Byrne a lot of distress.

I hope even the most curmudgeonly Gran will acknowledge how stunningly well Jeremy Corbyn did. He has had the most disgusting lies thrown at him and he has kept calm and polite. On Andrew Marr this morning he looked good humoured and, dare I say it, prime ministerial!

GGMK2: Your comments have to be taken together with the conditions of the time. After WW2 the whole of UK industry was on its knees. The war effort had particularly hit both steel and railways. There was no private capital that could have rescued them. The circumstances were exceptional. However the results were not good. Neither of them managed to become successful and were a continuing drag on taxation.

Personally I would have loved the Swiss to take over and run our railways, but I doubt they would have taken on such an enormous job. As for steel need i say anything?

Lucky legs, the note about there being no money left by Liam Byrne in 2010 was a joke left in the tradition of Reginald Maudling in 1965, I think, saying "sorry to leave it in a mess." I found the timeline in your post a little confusing

Lucklegs Calm down! It is not what's in store for us! It's more likely to happen, if May carries on and even more people are kicked out of their homes and have wages and benefits cut.

Anybody got any smelling salts?

The Liverpool Echo says two people were arrested and there's no confirmation of what happened. Those marches happen every year. The area around Renshaw Street has a number off Irish bars. Relationships between Protestants and Catholics in Liverpool have always bee a bit tense, especially when alcohol is involved.

So far, having asked me a question about nationalisation, you don't seem to have replied to my answer. I wonder why not.

You seem to be going down the usual road of right-wingers on here which is of offering prejudice (opinions not based on fact) rather than facts. What caused the Winter of Discontent - factually not just opinion and what is your answer to the reply you requested from me a few posts back.

Oh! Showing my ignorance over tech things again. Sorry.

MN have it as a print perhaps they took a photo of it?

I'd have to pay for it, whitewave. I have limits, you know.

Can't find it anywhere else, though.

lucky your knowledge of history seems a tad confused

What short, selective memories you have. Do you remember Corbyn hanging on despite the many resignations from his own party, the votes of no confidence, his own government didn't want him, but he has had a personality transplant since. , the 1978 Winter of descobtent, believe me you wouldn't if you lived through it, bodies stacking up to be buried, everyone on strike,. Then the note that was left by the Chancellir at the time, when Labour lost the ekection they didn't fight. "Best of luck, the coffers are empty" well they were, you can't keep borrowing, we had to apply to the Monetary Fund to bail out. That is what us in store. Theresa should follow west Corbyn did, hang on despite everything, nothing is worse than the alternative if she Fresno.

Apparently the Sunday Times has an article that reports the DUP insisting that May uses Farage as one of the Brexit negotiators, and if she refuses Banks and Farage will cause trouble..

So now we know where the £435million came from.

Can you blue it dj?

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/video-appears-show-clashes-during-13169137

Doesn't say so, daphne.

Apologies! I looked at the wrong video, but the local press isn't reporting major disturbances. Those kind of marches happen regularly in Liverpool and, inevitably, there are some drunks who get involved in fights.

dj Careful of fake news. That video from Liverpool is old - probably from 2008.

trisher: that example is used to justify state ownership without understanding the circumstances. The company formed to run it had none of the capital costs to consider - they just ran the services. The subsidies now being paid are still less that the losses incurred by BR. There is no easy answer. The rail unions would love the whole system back under government control as they would then have so much more to threaten everyone with.

A right old mess she has created. The Brexit negotiations need us to have a strong team yet our friends across the water will be wondering what will happen no matter what decisions are made. It is the wrong time to change a PM yet she is now damaged goods; this will almost certainly lead to another election. Help! Save us from all those stupid politicians.

I think JC is chomping at the bit, he would love to get in and sort out the mess the tories have caused.

So funny to see the Conservatives with the knives out after all their ranting about Labour being divided
Cardiff when the East coast franchise was handed back and run by the gov it made £13mill. The companies running the franchises receive huge gov subsidies. It's simply a ridiculous situation.

Whitewave

You think so Jane? I don't know if you saw the interview with him but I don't think your, yet again, delightful language would fit how he looked this morning.

I would just like him and the LP to be given the chance.

voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/06/11/jeremy-corbyn-a-pm-in-waiting-who-can-afford-to-wait-but-can-we/

Corbyn didn't look as though he was crapping himself on Marr this morning.