Democracy hahahaha

I love the way people make sweeping judgements with any facts or proof to back that up e.g. Corbyn is a 'complete train crash'. Doesn't mean anything does it?

Can you have an incomplete train crash?

Presumably that person wa just trying to insult and that's the best she could come up with, having heard it from someone else probably.

Yes, I read that the Scottish Tories are to 'break away' from Theresa May's influence. They are completely opposed to working with the DUP. I predict another election in the Autumn.

Staying in the single market means freedom of movement, so why don't we just stay where we are?

In what way Maddy629?

Under his leadership, Labour has gained seats, while the Conservatives have lost seats with "strong and stable" May as leader.

Maybe you think that the people who voted Labour don't know what they're doing.

DD, WW, I will definitely look at it. But in the meantime just read that Ruth Davidson's Scottish Tories are likely to press TM to opt for a softer Brexit with the single market a priority. Interesting times indeed!

I would prefer May to stay, if she goes who would form a government? Heaven help us all if Corbyn gets the chance, the man is a complete train crash.

And if you haven't seen this video, it's also worth watching:

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/06/04/austerity-has-been-a-disaster-imposed-by-choice/

Steve Keen isn't a Corbynista either.

Apologies GracesGran, I wonder off Mumsnet and there are different rules,the threads move at a different pace.

Who, what, why LSP? No one will be able to understand what that is about.

and by the way what is happening schools is bloody awful.

Why are we putting our kids through this?

Ann Pettifor is an internationally respected economist fitzy. The video isn't about "Corbynomics".

Just for those who haven't yet seen it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4eGTY6RWeg

They aren't enthusiastic, they're desperate.

A lot of the youth vote are young parents and they see what is happening to their children's schools.

I just don't beleive in Corbynomics.

Have you watched dd's video, Fitzy ?

I enjoyed that video, dd. Everyone ought to watch it!

Pleased that my interpretation of the benefits of government spending are the same as hers!

GG I'm sure many tories think as you say. But I'm sure many Labour voters think in a similar selfish fashion. I do like the enthusiasm of the young - I remember my own youthful socialist optimism. But I'm afraid I'm rather more cautious, a bit less optimistic, and sadly a bit more cynical in my outlook these days. I just don't beleive in Corbynomics.

I read the phrase above about Labours track record and I wonder what that meant, to other people. There are pros and cons with any government but I've seen the most gains when Labour have governed. Not personally, but in my community.

^MaisieD: It is very like your home finances*

No it isn't. It isn't at all like your home finances. That is the big myth that Maggie Thatcher promoted and which economists try so hard to dispel (because they are the experts and they know differently).

But it is a nice simple concept which everyone can identify with and has served the tories and right wing media very well over the years. Despite the fact that, curiously enough, the tories record on the UK economy is far worse than Labour's.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/adnan-aldaini/running-a-government-budg_b_7585914.html

michaelrosenblog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/running-economy-is-like-running.html

speri.dept.shef.ac.uk/2016/09/20/what-if-the-national-economy-is-like-a-household-budget/

anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/national-economies-not-like-family.html

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/06/01/37382/ (Particularly the comments)

As a grandmother I would have been proud of my Grandaughters passion for politics. We don't have to agree with them just encourage them to make their own minds up. Social media is the future for gathering and sharing information. I am afraid the newspapers influence on us is in serious decline. Thank goodness

Who, what, why LSP?

So, what is Labours track record?

The problem is that the Conservatives - the UKs right wing party - would be more likely to agree with mine than yours Fitzy. That is what they believe in and what they tell us they believe in. Join the Tory party or vote for them and that is what you are signing up to even if you would rather it wasn't.

Of course the young have brains.My neice has plenty,but unfortunately left them behind the other day when she posted an 'open' letter to my 95 year old mum on Facebook exhorting her for the sake of all the public sector workers in her family to vote Labour. My mum doesn't use Facebook and so had no recourse to reply,my neice later appologised to my DDs when they objected and pointed out their grandma would have been deeply offended by the patronising lecture if she had been shown it.Which our neice confessed she hoped one of us would do.My mum was a nurse /midwife all her working life,is very well read ,informed intelligent and sharp as a tack.Uses her I pad daily and loves a political debate.With the wisdom of experience,and having voted Labour in the past and regretted it,and vowing she would never do so again, I also think her old brains and experience count.Our DCs have great respect for her oppinion and have certainly taken on board the views she has on Labours track record.Consequently one of our DCs stuck with her decision to back Corbyns manifesto, the other two after much deliberation didn't. Tbh my neices rant,plus constant hectoring to the point of almost bullying on social media from the rampant Corbynistas in their peer group proved counter productive.

gg good post

Marie just going back in the thread a bit - I was bowing out but have managed to get an internet connection out here in the sticks!
GG I agree mine isn't the definition of right most would use. But I think it's the right one!