London fire

No doubt all will eventually be made clear but I am puzzled as to how a fire within a flat
which was extinguished, became a fire outside the flat which wasn't spotted from the inside (if you see what I mean).
How did it transfer unseen to the cladding?

Jen, I, like others wish to uncover the truth but I do think that skwawkbox should be viewed with care.

This link skwawkbox.org/2017/06/19/video-rbkc-chief-claims-volunteer-efforts-to-vindicate-council-grenfell/ for instance does seem to be a he said/she said argument and I think I will wait to see what comes out of the enquiry rather than get even more cross about what has been the most awful tragedy.

David Lammy has posted this on twitter:

Hearing that Grenfell Tower survivors not wanting to be rehoused elsewhere eg in Preston (over 200 miles away) are being threatened (1/3)
3:24 AM - 20 Jun 2017

(2/3) with being declared "intentionally homeless", which in reality means the council won't help them get rehoused. Absolutely despicable.

/3). Intentionally homeless = the council does not have legal duty to rehouse you. How can your home burning down = intentionally homeless

Has anyone else heard this?

Even worse, Maizie, they may lose custody of their children if they are made intentionally homeless.

skwawkbox.org/2017/06/20/grenfell-residents-may-lose-custody-of-children-if-reject-distant-accommodation/

It is on skwawkbox, however so is possibly not true, although Gove said that it was okay for leftwingers to use skwawkbox.

He must know it's not trustworthy then.

Can't believe it's true at all Maizie
It will prove hard, maybe impossible to rehome people, all of them, in the same London borough, but since their lives/jobs/ relatives are in London, then they will surely be rehoused in London.

David Lammy isn't known for telling lies, I don't think.

He is known for making provovotive remarks and sniping from the sidelines... which is not helpful.

Provocative remarks.

www.24housing.co.uk/news/government-urged-to-rip-up-housing-policy-to-help-grenfell-survivors/

Good. Hope they do it.
However, 24housing is definitely biased.

Sniping!!!
One of his friends and her mother have died in this fire.

Have you no heart, roses?

I posted early early on this thread, my concern that KandC council may attempt to rehouse the tenants from Grenfell in the north west/east because rents are cheaper. It's disgraceful but something that happens to many families from London. They are separated from family, friends, support networks and their children uprooted from schools.

I don't think you can tell consid red 'intentionally homelss' if you refuse one offer, it used to be three but austerity may have changed that. I can't imagine a situation where children would be the subject of an application for an interim care order, with plan for foster care because their parents refused unsuitable accommodation after becoming homeless because of the fire. that really is scaremongering. Children's services are under huge pressure in safeguarding. In the past, l.a. Departments lke social work and housing worked together. Privatisation, the outsourcing of housing departments effectively ended that.
i accept housing is a real issue in London but shipping traumatised families away from another thing that is familiar, from support networks, employment, schools etc is not acceptable.

I x posted so gadn seen the David Lammy comments. He has been brilliant on ev interview I've seen. Unlke the leader of KandC count child, who has been dreadful.

It is happening and has been happening for sometime. People are offered accommodation somewhere miles away, they are not even allowed to go and see the accommodation, they have to say "yes" or "no" and if they say "no"they go to the bottom of the housing list. Part of the "cleansing" of London, so it becomes a city only for the rich.

Yes trisher but the prospective tenants are in a no win situation. They can't get legal aid to fight their corner. the services that would have mobilised on their behalf have been devastated by the cuts. The services that remain are bound by confidentiality so can't agitate on behalf of service users. Is it too much to expect things won't continue to go back to Dickensian times?

Only if we can't get rid of the god damned awful government.

There are solicitors prepared to fight cases pro bono this time Iam.

I agree whitewave although there is a bit of me that thinks they should clear up their own mess. We cannot afford that however.

I know GG2. A friend who is a housing expert has been acting pro bono for members of tent city, a group of homeless people in Manchester. Legal aid is available for exceptional circumstances. That usually doesn't include homeless people with mental health, drug and alcohol problems. On that basis, a traumatised individual from Grenfell would be excluded.

Oh Iam it makes you want to weep just thinking of "tent city" in this rich country.

"That usually doesn't include homeless people with mental health, drug and alcohol problems."

I'm speechless. We should all be aware of this of course, but so many changes have happened to legal aid and the headlines only give us the ones many will think are acceptable. I learn so much on these threads.

David Lammy being provocative and sniping from the sidelines? Having lost a dear friend and her mother, I rather think he has some locus in this matter, not that I think he is doing either of these things. But I absolutely know who is.

Which is why David Lammy is doing a good job letting people know what is happening. First class degree in law and a barrister, he knows what is going on.

trisher posted this link on the Displaying emotions thread.

Tower block disaster - House of Cards

It is a clip from the original 1990s British version of the TV series House of Cards.

It should of course be available but in reality it often isn't. Psychologists find themselves undertaking social work tasks. Teachers find themselves unable to teach the 27 children because 3 in the class are in states of real distress because of safeguarding issues or the fact their needs are such they will eventually be found a place in a 'special school' more suited to their needs. I find it impossible to consider the issues raised by this fire without feeling anger and despair that the voices of less affluent, or plain vulnerable people seem to be unheard, ignored or dismissed.

I hope I'm not repeating a link but, as the headline says - Everyone should read this point about the postponing of the Queen's Speech by Jon Snow