London fire

www.theguardian.com/public-leaders-network/2017/jun/21/government-swift-2005-bombings-wrong-grenfell-tower

Worth reading.

It's a new day, so can't we start afresh?

I'm never in the cool gang in the playground!

Another silly post durham .....sigh.

It has Annie but I'm sorry that roses has had to be the one to receive the pm, confirming that; I think it must have been upsetting. Shame really; one foolish error and the facade that has been carefully constructed comes tumbling down. Bit like politics really.

Yes indeed whitewave

Have often though Chewbacca 'is it worth posting anything on a thread dominated by a group, as on here,but you know other posters and lurkers also read the threads, so maybe it is.

How silly, Chewbacca. Anyone is free to ignore posts. Anyone is free to send pms, and anyone is free to ignore pms.
I quite regularly say I am going to ignore certain posters. Unfortunately I then forget what I said and fall into the trap of responding again.

There are people on here who quite regularly tell others to ignore me.
Personally I think roses should go on holiday again, as she seems to have missed a lot of the information about what happened at Grenfell Towers and to the people left homeless.
That's the benefit of the doubt I prefer to give her, rather than thinking she doesn't care about them.

Sticking to the threads topic is the best way to avoid conflict. Attacking someone at a personnal level is not the best way to avoid conflict.

Ignoring posts that attack you is a tactic to try to keep the subject under discussion going.

The thread is occasionally allowed to tick along without personal attacks, and those taking part enjoy the exchange.
It begins to completely go haywire when these attacks happen and those taking part get frustrated at the lunacy of answering posts that contribute nothing go the discusion.

So tactics such as ignoring posts that are personal or gfery or trolling are trying to be adopted in order that we can continue to progress the thread.

No one is suggestkng that a particular person cant contribute. Indeed opposing views are welcome providing they stick to the subject in hand. It is as simple as that.

No one is trying to hound anyone off but simply trying to avoid unpleasantness.

Simples

Exactly annieb I knew they did it anyway though
GGM2..... yes , I would certainly not choose to be in the company of one or two on here if it were possible either!
'Enraged by the world' ......that would be you then.

Playground antics Chewbacca ' let's send her to coventry' been obvious for a long time

Roses, you having that PM from Rigsby advising others to ignore you explains why so often a few posters say 'we'' not I , I ask if this is the Royal we or are they speaking for a group but for some reason they don't explain ] .

But that is quite the same thing on this occasion, is it GGMK2? A poster's decision to ignore comments or input from a particular poster is an entirely personal choice. But when 1 poster sends a private message to other people in the discussion, and instructs them to ignore a particular poster; that's collusion.
There have been many claims recently, that the News & Politics threads are only for those who agree with the majority of posters on those threads. Those claims have been vehemently refuted with indignant replies that everyone is welcome to contribute; all views are worth listening to, including those that oppose the mainstream, provided that they are coherent and logical. But that doesn't actually seem to be the case does it? By late last night, it became clear that several people were no longer following GNHQ guidelines : accusations of roses being a troll were made; she was accused of being "stupid ", it looked, from the outside, like a gang of mean girls putting the boot in.
Rigby had every right to engage, or ignore, anyone she likes, but her carelessness has revealed that NOT everyone is welcome to contribute after all. Rigby has revealed that collusion goes on, behind the scenes, to keep other opinions away. This was not a personal decision at all, it was a joint effort to kick someone off the discussion. I'm surprised at Rigbys carelessness, she's usually such a stickler for care being taken when inputting.

I was reading somewhere that we have the most secretive government, least transparent in the western world.
I really think change is drastically needed. I always remember talking to a young student in Paris who announced that in France they act as citizens but in thecUK we act as subjects.
There is some truth in that i think

I think many schools are at the point where remedial work should have been done years ago. They are victims of the neo-liberal governments we have had - held back to some extent in the coalition but feeling they were omnipotent; their way was the only way and the right way. These victims are all around us at a times when the most disastrous loss of life in a fire since the war has happened; the NHS staff, the police, the fire fighters and even the councils.

There seems to be no sense of having a discussion with the public. Perhaps - although I cannot see why - it is better not to have sprinklers in a school but it always seems the decisions are made in such an underhand way. This is our government whether we voted for them or not; they are supposed to represent their constituents not just Conservative or Leave voters. It is our taxes not 'the government' that provides the money and finally, surely, if "the economy" is only about business and not about whether people live or die, have a reasonable life or not, and bringing some equity between the better off and the less well off what is the point of society or a government? When people see that society is not for them we have seen awful results in the past and I, for one, do not want to see a breakdown in civil society.

I regularly ignore posts. Especially the gfer and trolling ones. GNHQ instructions!!

Chewbacca I have been told by GNHQ on occasions that it may be better to ignore a poster or even a thread - totally undemocratic of course to be told to ignore someone attacking you. Can you imagine it in a demonstration when the far-right bullies arrive if the police said - just ignore them?

Everyone is entitled to put their opinion and everyone is entitled to disagree with it. Equally I do believe we are all entitled not to reply to anyone we choose not to. I would not choose to be in the company of one or two on here if it were possible not to be and certainly not when they seem enraged by the world and determined to take it out on posters, victims and anyone in their way.

That does make sense dd.

Interesting response, though. Don't bother to fit sprinklers because schools are burnt down in the holidays by disgruntled pupils...

Wilma Schools are often a target for arsonists. I'm not sure whether the eejits have a grievance based on their bad experience at school or why it should be.

Many schools are also very badly constructed, although management is usually obsessive about emergency lighting, fire escapes, signs and the obligatory termly fire drills. Arson attacks usually take place during holidays and weekends, when there's nobody to raise the alarm. That's why sprinklers could avoid so much damage.

So it would seem that there is a concerted attempt to bully a poster off a thread then? If a poster insists on posting opinions that some of you dislike or don't agree with for any reason, you collude to ignore that poster and refuse to acknowledge their input? Hmmm!

I looked it up too. Apparently there's an average of 4 fires a day in schools. Obviously not all serious, but it seems irresponsible to not make something compulsory that helps protect lives and reduces the potential for damage. There's a new call to review the change in the light of the Grenfell fire.

You couldn't make it up!

Just got your pm Rigby the one you sent to me by mistake.......exhorting everyone to ignore my posts, you must be more careful in future hey?

Oh I'm sure someone will be along shortly to explain to us just how it is the action of a caring, responsible Conservative government Eleo