Brexit negotiations starting tomoorow

ww yes that Swiss newspaper article is first clas - interesting to read an outsider's view of the mess we have got ourselves into

You are talking rubbish GGM2 and not for the first time.
As a matter of fact I don't have a preferred method of acheiving Brexit, I leave that to people who understand all the ins and outs, and that doesn't include anyone here on GN.
So, I don't have an opinion on how to get the best deal, but what I see on here are sneering, derisory and laughing comments as if it doesn't affect all of us , and an almost wanting the UK to do badly so that they can say happily 'I told you so'.

On German TV Davis said No Single Market and no Customs Union. He just stood there grinning and Barnier was furious as it seemed to be a waste of time for him just to hear this simple statement.
If that is really so then it should be over quite quickly. They have just to start on all the contracts which have been signed by the UK and unravel them. The folders stacked together take up several metres space. We were shown them on TV.
AS usual it will be the EU workers who have the worry of returning now or waiting till it all falls to pieces. Where is this world trade coming from? America? I can't see their cars becoming as popular as BMW and Mercedes.

dj don't know if you can find it but there is a translation of the Swiss paper Le Bund about us and Brexit. It is excellent!! Other grans might like to read it.

Now what is the MN term for those last two remarks?

We all want 'things to go well' Rar; it would be rather arrogant to think that anyone doesn't want that just because they don't agree with what you consider to be the best way to get it.

You seem to be saying that because you hold your particular opinion it must be right for the country - big ego!

That would also apply to you durhamjen

You seem to find everything so funny ww which is surprising given that you and your family actually live in the UK, don't you want things to go well.....certainly doesn't sound like it.

Vince Cable: May must listen to Hammond's Brexit warnings instead of locking him in a cupboard again

I would actually like the LP and LDs to talk nicely to one another - they have a lot in common.

Nothing like Davis, but you get the message.

We are going to have to be rescued by the EU negotiators at this rate.

Exactly so maizie

It isn't going very well is it?

Didn't Davis say that there'd be an 'almighty row' if the EU wouldn't agree to negotiating a trade agreement alongside the other items?

But that went by the board on Day 1. That's not negotiation, it's capitulation..

rosesared I would seriously advise you to read European newspapers (they're available in translation) to find out what "the other side" has been claiming. It's significantly different from the impression some of the British media has been trying to give. It's the British who have been doing most of the posturing, because they're in a very weal position.

To be fair to Davis, he had no choice. There are 27 remaining EU members and they will set the agenda and most of the conditions. As Barnier has quite clearly stated, it's the UK which chose to leave. Nobody has forced us. The EU will continue. Macron and Merkel have indicated that they would be keen on reform, so it's ironic that the UK will have no voice at a time when the EU is improving. Even if Merkel isn't Chancellor after the German elections, she will be replaced by Schulz, who is even more pro-EU.

Ireland and Gibraltar are going to remain problems, to which there is no solution. May's days as PM are limited and the Brexiteers are digging a hole for themselves so big that hopefully they'll disappear before too long.

Hammond made it very clear this morning that he will prioritise the economy, so all those people who hoped for lower immigration and "taking back control" are going to be disappointed. It will get to the point when people will seriously ask "What's the point?", especially as there are 750,000 new, younger voters every year, most of whom support remaining. It's just a question of deciding when such a decision is politically acceptable.

rose there is posturing and plain stupidity. Dopey Davis falls under the latter.

Autumn? Blimey that was ages ago...

I see that many Labour MPs have signed a letter supporting JC saying that the UK must stay in the single market or risk losing hundreds of thousands of jobs.

I think Hammond and Carney would agree as well

There was posturing going on from all sides.Now the actual negotiations begin!

Haven't you been reading what Dopey Davis has been saying throughout the autumn rose?

Why not fall in with the EU timetable.....there would have been derisory comments I imagine if he had refused to from people, and the whole negotiation( any negotiation) is give and take.

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Over 100,000 signatures in a day asking May to agree that no deal means no Brexit. France and Germany have agreed that we can change our minds.

I suspect it's in the fairytale section of the local library.

No lucklegs our fishermen won't be able to fish where they want, especially if they want to leave any fish in the sea for future generations. They couldn't before the UK joined the EU and they won't in the future.

Faceless bureaucrats don't make the UK's decisions. In fact, bureaucrats don't make any decisions. Elected representatives do that. Since joining the EU, the UK has been one of the most powerful countries.

There's no reason why anybody can't be "friendly" with other Europeans, but there is no way in a million years that the UK will have a trade deal as good as it now has.

There can't be a "good Brexit" for the UK. At least Davis is old enough to claim his pension when he is booted out - and it's just a question of time.

DD has completely fallen in with the EU timetable then. What a total idiot he is and a complete embarrassment.

lucky where on earth did you read all that?

If only it were that simple Luckyegs!