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Revenge terrorist attack

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Lillie Mon 19-Jun-17 05:31:42

Looks like a deliberate revenge attack on Muslims in Finsbury Park, North London.

Dharmacat Mon 19-Jun-17 12:40:19

Sadly, throughout history, there has always been intolerance of "outsiders / strangers/ interlopers" in all parts of the world by some of the more bigoted members in all societies. It would appear today that ease of travel, world crises, there has been vaster movement of people than ever before - hence the emergence of multiracial societies which arouse feelings of hatred in certain prejudiced factions of society. No way can England ever return to the days we knew as children when, in my northern town, there were no "foreigners" - as my Gran would have said.
Today social media has a lot to answer for in the spreading of such fanaticism in all races and creeds.
Thankfully we CAN experience harmony and peaceful coming together as was demonstrated by the community spirit after the horrendous tower block fire. Let us all embrace this heartwarming example and teach our grandchildren tolerance and understanding of others.

rosesarered Mon 19-Jun-17 12:44:09

No amount of extra police can stop a man in Wales getting into a van, driving somewhere else and then running down pedestrians.

Lillie Mon 19-Jun-17 12:47:00

Looks interesting viewing this Thursday.

www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/proginfo/2017/25/who-should-we-let-in-ian-hislop

MaizieD Mon 19-Jun-17 12:50:03

I think the police are a complete red herring in this and I bet charleygirl wishes she'd never mentioned them.

It's the expression of hatred, violence, and lifting of the veneer of civilisation which is so worrying. I strayed into a far-right thread on twitter and the views being expressed and agreed with were just vile.

Riverwalk Mon 19-Jun-17 12:50:45

Indeed roses but the Met is said to be short of 700 detectives - how are they to investigate all the recent atrocities plus Grenfell Tower, without increased resources?

Welshwife Mon 19-Jun-17 12:51:30

Who are the 'indigenous' people Ruth?
The Britiah Isles have been invaded so many times over the centuries it would be interesting to know who you consider to be indigenous.

Luckylegs9 Mon 19-Jun-17 13:00:44

No one could ever say our Police Force were anything other than exceptional. They respond as soon as humanly possible, some even giving their own lives, as do the Firefighters. I don't know why you think more police were Coukd have stopped it happening. . The guy that drove into the Muslims was probably mentally ill, now they have so few hospitals that deal with mental issues lots of people are out there that need specialist help. Some weeks ago it was announced that a extra amount of money was to be allocated to this neglected area of health, it's a lot too late for many, but a start.

Veda Mon 19-Jun-17 13:11:19

I predicted all this would happen back when Blair was in power. Unfortunately I'm being proved right. I foresee a civil war in the future. Our "leaders" have opened up that situation.

Riverwalk Mon 19-Jun-17 13:20:07

Where did you predict this Veda - do you have a link?

I suspect you're just a trouble-maker and trying to fan the flames.

mcem Mon 19-Jun-17 13:24:01

Predicted what exactly?

mcem Mon 19-Jun-17 13:32:52

Put the Great back into Great Britain.
England no longer England.
'Indigenous people'.
Can't you, who post these comments, see that you are stoking the flames of intolerance and hatred?

Ilovecheese Mon 19-Jun-17 13:34:16

"Indigenous people"
iceni?

Anya Mon 19-Jun-17 13:34:52

Ah ha! All the racists are coming out of the woodwork now aren't they?

We are a mongrel race, invaded over the years and more latterly, as we acquired a more civilised veneer, accepting the victims of war, famine and outright genocide. So those who consider themselves 'English' have no right to glorify in the murder of innocent people.

Blinko Mon 19-Jun-17 13:47:12

Did they but realise it, these imbeciles play into the hands of organisations like ISIS who are trying to generate hate and unrest in otherwise stable countries in the West. Let's not go there....

MaizieD Mon 19-Jun-17 13:52:50

Well, Veda didn't predict it on Gnet, Riverwalk, unless she's had a name change. I've just looked her up. This is her first post on this forum.

newnanny Mon 19-Jun-17 14:02:03

A sickening attack; whatever the motivations the actions are the same to drive a van into innocent people with the intention of harming them. In this instance I just heard on Sky News the police were on the scene in 1 minute so there is no way having more police would have helped. The sad truth is no matter how many police we have they cannot be everywhere. I just wish all victims of terror a speedy recovery. At least this attacker was caught so will face justice.

allule Mon 19-Jun-17 14:11:01

I was puzzled by the description of a 'terrorist' attack, rather than a 'hate crime' ,as I thought that meant one planned by a terrorist group? But I suppose it is any act designed to inspire terror, with victims chosen at random..
Doesn't matter what it's called, but people seem to attach importance to it.

travelsafar Mon 19-Jun-17 14:13:03

I am fed up of hearing the same thing being said by the likes of May, Corbyn and Khan about communiities coming to gether to stop terrorists, to do what? how does that stop them?

Am i being a bit thick in not seeing how this would prevent awful things happening.

I am genuinely interested in answers to these questions.

Rigby46 Mon 19-Jun-17 14:17:06

There's a few new posters around at the moment - they all seem to have one thing in common - hummmmm

Pamish Mon 19-Jun-17 14:18:01

One passing post I've seen says this man is a member of the EDL - the English Defence League. So yes, inspired by terrorism though they will probably deny it, in between secretly praising him to the rafters.

Pamish Mon 19-Jun-17 14:21:05

More police would not mean police hanging round on every street corner waiting for an incident, but more working within communities, been seen around and knowing their local people. This has almost disappeared, we have given up on expecting any police presence here for 'minor' crimes.

20,000 police jobs have been lost in the past seven years.

Joelsnan Mon 19-Jun-17 14:21:13

These people are not imbeciles if they are anything like my darling sweet, soft hearted and kind son who took his own life a couple of weeks ago.
My son suffered from stress and anxiety, he became obsessed with news 24 and Twitter and was paranoid about what he came to see as Muslims taking over the world by one method or the other. He knew the Koran and Hadith's better than many Muslims. I tried to point out his irrationality but his fear and anxiety were too intense. Sadly he took his own life at the end of May. His anxieties highlighted to me the perpetrator of Jo Cox's death, an apparently kind unassuming man with no real far right affiliations.
There is a distinct difference between Muslim terrorists because their objectives are driven by religious ideology (it is the true ideology not perverted as some would say) whereas the 'revenge' terrorist usually act independently based on fear and a sense of justice.
The media plays a very big part in creating these sorts of attacks by loop replaying the dreadful events, inflaming and perpetuating sadness, anxieties, and fear amongst the population, some can cope, some switch over or switch off the TVs whilst some become hypnotised by the constant replay using these replays to feed and reinforce their anxieties.

nigglynellie Mon 19-Jun-17 14:25:36

Blimey, and you all thought that I was a right wing fascist! For the record I've even astounded by some of the comments on here. Indigenous people, England no longer England, hang on here, over the centuries people from all corners of the world have settled and been welcome here regardless of race or creed so these comments are quite disgraceful. Incidentally the 'Great' of Great Britain means large, wide reaching inclusive of the four countries and off shore habitations that make up these islands not fantastic or fabulous, or a state that is somehow superior to other countries.

Theoddbird Mon 19-Jun-17 14:27:54

Horrendous...YES but wrong to blame Boris Johnson. Even if there had been a thousand more police on the streets it would not have stopped this happening. My thought go out to all those affected by this incident sad

Luckygirl Mon 19-Jun-17 14:29:47

Joelsnan - flowers