Brexit: On a scale of 1 to 10, where do you stand?

daphne - I didn't say our leaving would make it better for other countries - I'm merely pointing out that life in the EU may be great for jenpax but the EU has not been great for everyone or for all countries - and there is no need for her to call people who voted to leave xenophobes or deluded. Perhaps try looking at things from other people's point of view. I can understand why those who have done well want things to remain the same and I can also understand why those who are trying to live on minimum wages want things to change.
I live in a northern city and wages have been depressed by the oversupply of labour - it's just how the market works. If you want evidence there's the report from Oxford Uni which states:
"UK research suggests that immigration has a small impact on average wages of existing workers but more significant effects along the wage distribution: low-wage workers lose while medium and high-paid workers gain."

Thank you for that very understanding remark SAAK - difficult to do when it will so impact on our lives.

LOAD OF TOSH AND MORE LIES that which is being said about the reciprocal agreement - the EU put their deal on the table some weeks ago and the problem now is that TM's fair deal falls far short of matching it!!'

Jobs. Housing, wages etc in the UK is nothing to do with the EU - all down to the UK Govt and if companies pull out when Brexit day arrives it will see more jobs lost - and the fault of the U.K. Govt again.

The price of properties in Paris has risen sharply in the last year. I wonder why?

So why do you want to stay in the EU then Welsh? If everything is down to the UK government already.

dbDB77 So how will leaving the EU benefit the few who have lost out? I hope they enjoy picking cabbages. On balance, the UK has gained and GDP will inevitably fall, which will have a knock on effect on the low paid.

The majority of people in work voted to stay in the EU. The majority of those who voted Leave are pensioners or unemployed. Maybe those in work (even low paid work) knew which side their bread was buttered.

This research says the opposite to yours, db

fullfact.org/economy/membership-single-market-and-lower-wages/

Thanks for finding that dj. I knew I'd seen the opposite somewhere. I believe King's College and the LSE have also reported the opposite, but I haven't got time to look.

Saak because I have always been open to European countries - had a French pen friend in the 50s and am still in touch with her - known people from other cultures and backgrounds all my life - why would I change now.

It is the UK Govt who for us hold the cards so we are just hoping they play them well - mind you they will not get Brexit if they don't - so maybe that would be even better - don't you agree?

I can understand why those who have done well want things to remain the same and I can also understand why those who are trying to live on minimum wages want things to change.

I can understand that too, but 1) the low wages are almost entirely due to the tory 'austerity' programme, which cut wages and public services. Leaving the EU will not miraculously restore wages or public services (despite what the bus said). 2) the EU brought jobs to the UK (see my example of Nissan in the NE) 3) the fact remains that leaving the EU will cause job losses. It's in the news almost daily. WE have nothing to replace these jobs with. They will not come out of thin air nor from the Leavers' vague optimism.

People who voted for Brexit because of their grim circumstances were understandable but they were completely misguided. What is worse is that they will be the ones who suffer most when the UK gets poorer.

I've also been open to other European countries Welsh. Getting out of a club run by a few dictator like megalomaniacs has nothing to do with this.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/24/brexit-europe-laughing-britain-unstable-government

Instead of hear ye hear ye. All you keep doing is spouting hearsay hearsay jen. If you choose to live in a country that democratically voted to leave the EU and you just keep on spouting different then you should maybe ask yourself whether you need to be here?

Thread posting activists are pretty boring.

Not hearsay saad and a typical abrasive attitude of one who mus, surely, be wondering what the hell they voted for? As a strong remainer, like DJ, I want to be here, live here, and get sick of people telling me to 'get over it' and other such drivel. The poor wages and poor public services in some areas are caused by government austerity policies, not by migrants for heavens sake. I have yet to read ONE good reason why people voted for Brexit. Or are you waiting for the latest instruction to be displayed on the side of a big red bus as before?

daphnedill Sun 25-Jun-17 15:34:22
daphnedill I don't want a wheelchair - yet - two walking poles will do thanks!!
They would be quite useful to poke people who get too close as well.

in any case, Greece's growth has now overtaken the UK, which is now bottom of the pile

I've spent 2 hours trying to find information on that daphne. Can't find anything to support your claim. Source please?

It is not making me ill Welshwife and I do know some young people who voted Brexit.
We may not agree, but we have to play with the hand we are dealt, as we have had to all our lives with whatever government is in power and however they proceed.

I hope that we may be able to enter another type of Entente Cordiale and progress from there, much as Norway and Switzerland do.

Well if you wish to live in a democracy then yes you do need to get over it gill, poor wages etc have nothing to do with mass immigration, of course not. It hasn't allowed greedy conglomerates etc. to capitalise on this. No of course not.

The European courts over turning our laws. A cap on who we trade with.

Let alone the amount of money we pour into a club full of bloated mega's.

If we do have to talk about a bus, I'd rather talk about that than the fact that corbyn used the awful recent fire to try to boost his political standing, not only that he's telling over 18 year olds they don't have to pay for further education.

Oh and he's gone to Glastonbury due to knowing that these youngsters who actually know not a lot yet are the only ones that will mass vote for him.

He's pathetic.

*megla's

I did think, watching Glastonbury from the comfort of my sofa last night, glass of in hand, that the demographic was not the 16 - 24 year olds - more the 35 - 50 year olds.
Average age increased by the presence of one of my friends who is 72.

after all, Foo Fighters have been going for 20 years ..... after Nirvana .... started in 1987

Goodness me, was it like looking at people that don't want to grow up Jalima?

If you live in the UK you are in a slightly different position to those of us living in the EU. It is similar to the EU migrants in the UK but for many not quite as they tend to be working migrants. Retired migrants living in the EU have various other factors such as exchange rates - which have always fluctuated a bit - but healthcare costs and for some the value of houses. Paris prices will have no real effect on the rest of the country.

Have visions of an old crusty peter pan now, ewwww

From Eurostat (for Chewbacca)