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Brexit: On a scale of 1 to 10, where do you stand?

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Bagatelle Wed 21-Jun-17 20:26:38

Given that the result of the EU referendum was hardly a landslide, I can't see that a 'hard Brexit' was ever justified.

Leave: 37.5%
Remain: 34.7%
Neutral/confused/apathetic: 27.8%

On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 as stay as we were and 10 as leave the EU as far behind as possible,
- where did you stand when you voted (if you did) and
- have your thoughts changed since?

daphnedill Sun 25-Jun-17 20:10:27

Sorry, I couldn't get the chart do go any bigger. Here it is embedded in article in the Indy.

www.independent.co.uk/News/business/news/gdp-brexit-europe-uk-economy-weakest-first-quarter-of-2017-a7778576.html

stillaliveandkicking Sun 25-Jun-17 20:14:56

Daph and durr, among all your needless links are you happy that Corbyn is leading your party? If so, why?

Jalima1108 Sun 25-Jun-17 20:17:35

Goodness me, was it like looking at people that don't want to grow up Jalima?
grin
Do you like Gracie Fields SAAK? wink

Actually, I did say to DH (who didn't enjoy it) that I could not hum any one of the songs today because they weren't 'catchy' (and I couldn't hear the words anyway).

Jalima1108 Sun 25-Jun-17 20:18:32

getting a bit lighthearted there and realised it is not the Glastonbury thread.

stillaliveandkicking Sun 25-Jun-17 20:20:09

Im a bit too young to know that much about Gracie Fields, watched a film about her though not too long ago.

daphnedill Sun 25-Jun-17 20:23:01

Not only is GDP growth low, but wages are affected too. This time Greece is below the UK, but only just:

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-workers-have-had-the-worst-wage-growth-in-the-oecd-except-greece-a7773246.html

British workers have had the worst wage growth in the OECD of any country except Greece.

However, pensioners will be OK, because the triple lock will protect them. How on earth can anybody seriously wonder why younger, working age people want change?

stillaliveandkicking Sun 25-Jun-17 20:29:11

I think you will find that Greece joined the currency. Thank god we didn't.

Daph, I also think you have this so wrong. Im a working class person wanting out of one thing at a time. Brexit will do this. The far left are pretty whacky in their views, very militant and will make things much worse.

Support getting out of the EU, control your own borders and things will change. Wages will change due to non exploitation. There will not the the mass.

I have no idea why people don't get this.

stillaliveandkicking Sun 25-Jun-17 20:30:19

Key stuck on the... grin

stillaliveandkicking Sun 25-Jun-17 20:31:52

Greece was also bailed out too. Do they have a load deficit anymore or was that quashed?

stillaliveandkicking Sun 25-Jun-17 20:32:15

*loan.... predictive.. grrrr

Chewbacca Sun 25-Jun-17 20:32:40

Thank you daphne

Jalima1108 Sun 25-Jun-17 20:35:52

Did we ask for the triple lock though?
Did we ask for it to be kept along with the winter fuel allowance, free tv licences etc?

Are pensioners to be castigated if they voted to keep these and young people to be applauded for voting for no tuition fees?

Double standards are being applied.

Unfortunately, these proposed policies set one generation against another and we do not want that, it is destructive rather than constructive.

stillaliveandkicking Sun 25-Jun-17 21:07:50

well if you didn't ask for them why are you getting pissed off then?

durhamjen Sun 25-Jun-17 21:13:03

I wonder if that was the intention, Jalima, divide and rule?

stillaliveandkicking Sun 25-Jun-17 21:15:25

err its certainly mad egotistical corbyns aim.

LadyGracie Sun 25-Jun-17 21:42:08

10 and 10+, I've been on holiday, catching up!

daphnedill Sun 25-Jun-17 21:53:43

stillaliveandkicking That's your opinion. I don't think I have it wrong at all - but that's my opinion.

daphnedill Sun 25-Jun-17 21:56:17

PS. I don't have much sympathy for identity politics. From experience, those who claim to be working class Conservatives are bullshitters.

stillaliveandkicking Sun 25-Jun-17 22:05:22

Oh well I don't have much sympathy for people who have voted for a marxist egotistical maniac. The party was and is defunct. Im working class and voted for Brexit and a party that would do this.

GillT57 Sun 25-Jun-17 22:10:56

So, saad if you voted for Brexit, and Mrs May, how do you feel now? You voted for abolition of the triple lock on pensions, means testing of winter fuel allowance, a cap on fuel prices to name but a few of the manifesto promises that the Tories made and now have been dismissed. Let down? Taken in by broken promises? Still think she is a person to be trusted?

daphnedill Sun 25-Jun-17 22:13:17

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GillT57 Sun 25-Jun-17 22:19:37

daphnedil I don't suppose saad will want to deal with those awful red, left leaning people who work in public service anyway.grin

stillaliveandkicking Sun 25-Jun-17 22:20:46

Well Gill to answer your question. I voted for Brexit.

What was in the manifest made sense.

If you can pay for fuel then yes you should.
People are living longer now and a tripple lock on pensions is not sustainable.

I don't feel let down in the slightest. It of course had to go due to such a pie in the sky left wing manifesto.

Corbin makes me want to puke.

GillT57 Sun 25-Jun-17 22:27:07

Yes, buy you don't get it do you SAAD? You voted, for whatever your reasons were, admirable or otherwise, for a manifesto and you didn't and won't get what you voted for! personally I am delighted, but that is not the point. You were lied to yet again, promises were made and not included in the Queen's Speech. Are you seriously happy about this?

stillaliveandkicking Sun 25-Jun-17 22:29:21

The queens speech did state exactly what I wanted Gill. I will get what I voted for. Which was to be out of the EU.