Why difference in views between young and old ?

No she wouldn't at all - she talks about how 'English' her father is and how people are surprised when they see him!!! She actually says how she always thought she was English when small as she had only English friends - that is due to where she lived. If I thought she would be upset I would not have said it.

Perhaps I should add that my American SiL is very Anglicised and only too pleased to admit it! He was very shocked when two of his brothers came over on holiday and tried to talk to strangers on the Tube! Not like us British

In this election I was mainly voting against Brexit, against fox hunting and against grammar schools. And against Headmistress May telling me she knows what I want.I just worry about what sort of future my children and grandchildren will have now.

Same here Deedaa. My DD is 24 and has a serious boyfriend (could be the "one") who is a scientist. They are seriously disillusioned with the UK and are looking to emigrate to Canada. If she and her boyfrend become permanent, there will be no problem at all. Both of them are the kind of young people Canada wants.

I don't particularly want her to go, but I believe the job of a parent is to teach offspring to fly and my child is ready to fly. I've discussed the situation with her and the main reason is that she used to feel proud of her country, particularly education and healthcare, but she's disillusioned with what's happened over the last seven years. Brexit was the last straw!

Well, here's an anecdote from the London Tube, which might restore some faith in Britishness.

I have a cousin who moved to Canada when she was 8. She visited us last year with her husband. He left his rucksack by mistake on the Tube. Naturally, he went into a panic attack, because it had his passport, money and travel vouchers. He rang London Transport and somebody had handed the rucksack to Lost Property - Wow! He couldn't believe that Londoners were so honest and thinks we are all wonderful!

isn't it sad that as some people get older they forget what it was like to be young ,all the snide remarks about young people on this site makes me feel very disenchanted with people my own age.Young people nowadays are far better informed than most of us were at that age and we voted,or at least I did ,we protested about things we felt strongly about and in my family at least no one tried to tell me my opinion didn't count ,wasn't valid...because I hadn't lived long enough.I just read on another thread someone who says people shouldn't get the vote until they are 25 an donly then if they have worked and contributed ...talk about going backwards .No doubt a brexit voter who believes the England was a better place when it had slums and children with rickets and TB rife among the poor .Thank god(if there is one) I grew up in a more enlightened community who listen to what all generations have to say ,because its the future we're voting for and lets be honest most of us wont be around to see the damage WE'VE caused so we should take the lead from the next generation.

dd it may have been handed in ( the rucksack) in case it had an explosive device in it!
Everbody is wary of rucksacks now.

Child benefit for first child £20.70 a week, for subsequent children £ 13.70 per week.

My point was that we should not expect the government to look after us. It is a choice whether or not to have a family, not something you do regardless and let the taxpayer pick up the bill.

And I did make the point that there should be more relevant training for jobs, so that there would be no need for a young person to be unemployed, even if it means leaving home and living in hostel accomodation or as a lodger, as I had to do when I left school.

Taxing the rich more, which I don't disagree with, is not going to be enough to pay for caring for people who eat and drink themselves into ill health, or supporting and housing endless numbers of people, paying for every old person who needs care even if they have half a million in the bank or a house they will never be well enough to return to.

What is unfair on the young, is squandering money needlessly so that there is not enough left to look after the sick and the truly vulnerable and helpless, encouraging them to get into debt by studying subjects that will not lead to a job, allowing them to think that they can have all the material comforts they want without working hard to get them.

Do people think that money grows on trees - that the government only has to print more? If taxes are raised too high, the richest will simply move out of the country.
I don't know what the answers are, but I feel that there is something fundamentally wrong in our society, we have stopped caring and expect the state to look after every aspect of our lives from cradle to grave. It is not sustainable whoever lives at no 10.

Come on, roses if anyone thinks a rucksack may have an explosive device in it, the last thing they will do is cart it around to Lost Property. They'd be more likely to tell the nearest staff member and clear off.

My son is forever leaving stuff on trains, he is scatty and forgetful and I'm amazed at the fairly insignificant bits of kit and clothing that he retrieves from Lost Property.

Starbird good posts agree with you 100 per cent.

Of course us older folks more often vote Tory. We know our place. We like strong stable leadership and pay our small tax dues as source. We understand that our betters have accountants whose job is to ensure they pay as little as possible, otherwise how could they afford to send their children to the same schools are their fathers attended. That's only fair and their right. Ditto private health care.

It's all so complicated we say and we don't like that Corbyn. No reason, just something about him we don't like. He promises the earth and how can we afford that? We've been told the country is broke, so have to cut back on funding for police, schools and NHS. Must be true. It's all those foreigners coming over here and taking our jobs and benefits and going to the top of the housing ladder. British jobs for British workers, send them all home.

Believe all this, because the papers say so and her down the road knows all about it. No, don't watch those Tonight programmes or Question Time or HIGNFY waste of time and busy catching up on Corrie, East Enders and Emmerdale. .

The OP asks what policies those who voted Tory expcted or wanted. I vot d Labour, despite the reservations I had about Jeremy Corbyn because of the manifesto. I've posted on other threads, my belief that JC ran a good campaign, whereas TM ran a very poor one.
I wanted an end to the austerity approach. I did not want a return to selective education, which inevitably means bringing back secondary moderns.

Young people are less likely to get their news from the daily mail, express or sun, for example. They use social media. I find it offensive to dismiss them as wanting everything for nothing, or being bought by the idea of free tuition fees. That doesn't fit any of the young people I know.

Votes for the Libs soared when they included no university fees, it didn't happen and next election, Libs almost wiped out. Who can forget the young surrounding Clegg

There seems to be a sense, running through this thread, that the young are naive, idealistic and easy conned. And that the elderly are disillusioned, have a 'seen it, heard it all before attitude and are pessimistic.

There is a germ of truth in each of those stereotypes but I've met more and more over 60s who have been impressed by Corbyn when originally they had dismissed him and his ideals out of hand.

But, I do have to admit that those who have come round to this way of thinking have tended to be retired public sector workers - teachers, head teachers, university lecturers etc - who have worked with young people all their lives.

Where can I read of these lecturers, teachers, heads etc Anya? I haven't heard anything on radio or tv

No Anniebach we are the silent majority who have seen the problems the young face at first hand, have watched budgets slashed and education suffer, seen young people struggling on zero hours contracts, weighed down with student debt, unable to afford housing, and the slow unpicking of the welfare state and the NHS which benefitted many of us. We supported Tony Blair because we hoped for better. We now support Corbyn because we believe in the sort of society which raised us and which will give others the same benefits.

Annie that is the world I inhabit. I'm a retired teacher turned LEA Advisor and so I'm in touch with ex colleagues and retired ex colleagues from those years.

As trisher has verified they are very much behind Corbyn, though they have trodden the same path as I to get to that place.

I am really noticing attacks on the young on here which surprise me; it appears to infer that they haven't the wisdom of age. I'm afraid I just can't see that. There are wise older people but there are also wise younger people and who, are these two or three calling out; people who voted for or are attracted to what Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party has to say.

There seems to be a sense of fear that backs these opinions of the young not making wise decisions. The idea that they do not believe what these gainsayers believe. After all these beliefs have made them wealthier than their parents and given them a good life. It also gave them more control than their parents generation ever had and they do not want to cede any of that power to the next generation so they can make different decision.

So they will vote Brexit - regardless of the future the young would choose and they will vote Tory and expect people with very little capital to understand their belief in upholding capitalism.

And they talk disparagingly about the young. Well they talk disparagingly about most people who don't share their views and then wonder why they are not held in high esteem. And yet, and yet while, as Heseltine pointed out, the right wing supporters are dying off at 2% a year those voting enquiringly for the left are yes, the 18 to 24 year olds where the support for Labour has a 35 point lead, and yes you can see that as a product of Corbyn's policy of scraping tuition fees but there is also a Tory lag of 16 points among the 35 to 44 year olds. These are not children they are adults so who are at the stage where more people, in the past, have become conservative. Even in the 45 to 54 age group Labour has a 3 point lead. These are people who should be paying off the last of their mortgage and considering their retirement and believing the capitalist system has given them all these things; but increasingly they are realising this is not true for them.

All the arrogance and prejudice I see on here will not change these peoples minds; it will drive them away from even listening. The next few years will be critical for those who offer the right-wing views espoused at times on here. If the Tories do not get Brexit right for everyone; and that means the 'getting it right' everyone can believe in not the 'right way' that ends up shouting abuse at those who disagree, people may well come to the conclusion that the only way forward is Socialism - and they may not be wrong for themselves and their families.

Forgive the errors in my post. I won't list them!

Well put Anya Trisher and GG.
I've said before that I think our generation also made mistakes but don't remember being berated by parents and grandparents.

I agree GG there are a lot of disparaging comments about the young as there are about the 'older generation' many of whom are not just derided because they're 'old' but also if they voted for the Conservatives and Brexit.

From paddyann's post reference a poster from another thread giving their point of view that the voting age should be no lower than 25 and voters should also have worked and contributed, presumably financially; "No doubt a Brexit voter who believes England was a better place when it had slums and children with rickets and TB rife among the poor" Really do you really believe that's a reasonable assumption to make of those who voted for Brexit? What a totally ridiculous comment to make.

The arrogance and prejudice you refer too GG sadly comes from both sides; the young are too young, naive and ill informed to know what they're doing and the old are too old and self centered. Perhaps the main problem facing our country at the moment is a lack of respect and sadly IMO some of the posts on GN aren't setting a very good example.

Good post Smileless

Maybe someone still working in a secondary school or a college can tell us but I think many of the young -16 year olds etc - do have some sort of historical or political teaching - I do not mean telling them to believe one way or the other but encouraging them to research for themselves and have healthy debates. I have seen discussions between such youngsters on news type programmes and to see their discussion and hear their views is very encouraging - they are becoming engaged with the country they are growing up in and how it is governed .

Perhaps the main problem facing our country at the moment is a lack of respect and sadly IMO some of the posts on GN aren't setting a very good example.

Apart from noting the fact that, yet again, a poster can't resist telling other people how to behave I'd like to ask who is the bad example being set too? We are all 'mature' (in the sense of older, not wiser) individuals on here. Are you really suggesting that we'll all suddenly become whatever it is you disapprove of? Or do we have a secret army of younger readers who are going to copy our bad example?

Posts that are worthy of respect will get respect..

Aren't we always being assured that the way posters addres others on GN is the same way they would address others in RL?

Some of them are obviously not setting a good example to their younger friends and relatives from what we see on here...

What a lot of assumptions. Young people are our future, giving them false hopes won't help them, no more than giving a baby sugar every times he cries. I always worked with teenagers, they are by nature inclined to buck the system, we all did, when you are older you have life's experience under your belt, but who wants to listen to their parents or authority. Nothing new in that. It is our duty to do the right thing, but not give in to promises without foundation.