Aimed at the Wrong People?

Without accusations of nit-picking would someone who supports this move please explain to me, simply and honestly, why you do?

But it isn't annie so you needn't be sad!! As I said if I did I did so in error and can only apologise again.

I may think you are misguided though (that was said in friendly jest)

Here's some points I read concerning 'Socialism doesn't work'.

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

Corbyn is making false promises to the young which he won't be able to keep. When 5% of the young generation went to university it was affordable for the country to pay for it. Blair wanted everyone to have the chance to go to university with the result that a lot of Micky Mouse courses were invented-media studies etc. It is not affordable for the country to pay for all 18 year olds to go to university and many are not suited to it. Better to plough resources into apprenticeships and engineering/ICT courses/medical areas. If courses are paid for by someone else then there should be a contract that the recipient works in this country for 5/10 years first to repay the costs.

At the same time, big business needs to be sorted out to ensure they pay a fair wage and offer good training and prospects to those who are loyal and work hard.

Regardless of how we feel about Corbyn, for or against, I think it was wrong to use that event to spout his annoyance with the Tories. Be a guest and champion your party, OK I can live with that. But the BBC presented it at no cost to him, but at the taxpayers expense, so that is why I think dumping on the Tories using Glasto was wrong.

He was doing a 'Trump' preaching to the converted and blasting the opposition. And I will not be surprised if he does a 'Blair' and starts hanging out with celebs and sports stars who will stroke his ego.

I still am in disbelief that he wants all this adoration, but did nothing for the Remain campaign. There are some fantastic Labour MPs out there, and he's dragging them down.

Democratic socialism works extremely well in Germany which is what Corbyn thinks we should emulate.

Where did you read your 'points', quizqueen? A link would be helpful.

And may l ask again please for an explanation of why a tory voter thinks things are ok?
(ie not an anti-labour post but a genuine pro-Tory one.)

He was doing a 'Trump' preaching to the converted and blasting the opposition.

There were thousands of people at Glastonbury of all ages and political opinions. Why would the assumption be made that he was 'preaching to the converted'? They can't all have been leftwing Corbynistas.

And why shouldn't the BBC report his speech. Corbyn has become News since the general election. The BBC is supposed to report News. It makes a refreshing change from the hours of coverage it's given the likes of Farage.

I doubt that Corbyn is particularly impressed by 'celebrity'. There's nothing particularly special or interesting about most celebrities. He seems to me to be grounded enough to give them their true value.

The amount of mess left behind every year regardless of who is the star attractions is the real problem. A lot of people who attend, in their everyday lives are keenly aware of recycling, upcycling, putting everything in the appropriate bins at home for refuse day etc. In many cases plug being environmentally friendly. So why does this happen? ...more to the point who picks up the bill for it all. I believe some of the tents are reused by needy people but why can"t people take their tents back with them.? Because many are very inexpensive to buy ...and someone else will clear up the mess. Double standards in a lot of cases. And not just youngsters but many much older ones too.

quizqueen
The media is a very important industry and a very big employer.
media studies is not a 'Mickey Mouse' degree but a very good gateway into employment.

Wherever quizqueen read her points doesn't really matter (to me). Everyone seems so keen to link to what others have said, what's been written elsewhere (which is fine) but what about things which just seem logical to ourselves. Ignoring the heading about 'Socialism doesn't work' and leaving out for a minute Corbyn or May bashing, don't some of the points in quizqeen's list make sense just as they are. People did not all go to university. DH and I didn't, neither did our sons, and with the exception of DH the rest of us wouldn't have made it because we weren't clever enough. Having said that, I worked all my life in a reasonable job. Both my sons have jobs and support their families which came about through studying in the evenings, work experience etc. Would it not be better to put more money into apprenticeships, tech and IT rather than for all 18 year olds to expect to go to uni and not have to pay anything for it?

This was a good dry year but wet, let alone muddy, camping gear is not easy to pack up and many people go by coach - I am sure coach companies would be glad of having their luggage space full of muddy wet equipment. Left in the field it probably dries and much if the mud fall off. Someone said that the cost of cleaning up is factored into the ticket price and it is giving someone maybe a much needed job.

Most holiday makers who rent houses would rather pay €100 or more to have the house/Gite cleaned when they leave than do it themselves. Mind you often when continentals are the clients the places are left in a good tidy order. (I do speak from experince here as I have from time to time helped a friend who looks after a house which is rented out)

Every one of quizqueens points are exaggerated populist rubbish which some seem to take at face value without question.

Let me take just one as as example "You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity."

No one believes that asking the wealthy to pay a bit more tax is going to take them 'out of prosperity'. They will still have plenty left to sustain their preferred lifestyles. So the statement is fatally flawed.

You could do the same analysis of each of the others for yourself with a modicum of logic,

So can those who support Corbyn & dislike or cannot see any truth in some of the comments made about him & his double standards & hypocrisy not to mention slyness (as opposed to Mays foolishness) explain to me exactly what he in reality stands/ does not stand for & I am not being fecious,hope I spelt that correctly. Also hope my post won't be dismissed as not worthy of the iPad I post on )indicating quite some arrogance by some gransnetters

Jeremy Corbyn is on a roll. He will go anywhere there is an audience who might welcome him regardless of what he says or what that means.

As for those 'fans' all they want is a weekend where they can do as they pretty much like and have no thought fot the morrow. They think they have already paid for the clear up in the price of their tickets so why bother. It is all part of the mindless littering that we see far too much of elsewhere.

Personally I found it so refreshing, in these troubled times we live in, to see so many people united by music. Politics, sport, religion divide people. Music unites and I think that is a powerful force for good.

MaizieD Tue 27-Jun-17 11:11:17 The ones who are supportive of him were up front and waving banners, chanting... they were in their thousands and filled the cameras panning the scene. I did not see anyone protesting him!

Please read that I meant he was getting a massive amount of free air-time to verbally oppose the Tories courtesy of all taxpayers, not just attendees. The BBC is leaning more and more to the left. They should be neutral.

I live in Glastonbury and had to keep my windows closed in case I heard Corbyn....people pay to listen to the music and the hijacking of festivals by old blokes with messiah complexes is unfair, he is either out ambulance chasing or doing some crowd work. Is this the best we can offer by way of politicians, and I don't like any of them but at least May hasn't gate crashed anything I have paid to get into.

All these people who say they would happily pay more taxes, don't when it comes to it...my cousins who are very well off are Corbynistas and would run a mile if they saw a poor person and would get a petition up of some moved in down there street and definately call security if the nice businesses they own were faced with lower class customers.

It is for me the Maslow's Hierarchy of needs at work, people who have everything else need to get themselves so spiritual worthiness........they think some other, richer than them person if going to foot the bulk of the bill, and that they are better for reminding them to do so.

They stand there with there £80 wellies and sweat shop clothing and slave made phones and have a bit of a sing a long and look at Corbyns record of protest and think they are in at the awakening.......we all want a better world. We are the rich elite compared to most of the planet, we are the ones that would have to start finding the bulk of the money for fairness (if such a thing can be bought)....anyone who has lived in the UK, has had education, food, health care beyond the wildest dreams of most people......

They will be moaning about the lack of walls, borders and Trident if the sh*t ever hits the fan........

I absolutely agree.linjon, but can you imagine the vitriol that would have enchewed if May (or any other party leader ( are there any??) had attended) as I have said on a different post) Corbyn has a similar attraction that Billy Graham had back in the day & sad to say Hitlet etc it always ends very badly ?

Brilliantly Radicalnan?

About that pro-tory but not anti-labour post...
.. not possible then?

Load of cobblers norose4

Well thank you Nanny bit more info would be appreciated

norose4 I agree but I do think that Glastonbury was representative of the feeling in this country ATM that there needs to be change and Corbyn is the only one recognising that, regardless of which party offers that change. I am not a Labour supporter but I am a grandmother and I want a decent future for my grandchildren. People need to come before profit as Grenfell Tower shows us.

nanny remember Chomsky