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Food Banks

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M0nica Thu 29-Jun-17 09:10:59

At various times this has come up on GN and inevitably there has been the occasional member who has peddled the usual urban myths about some families living off Food Bank supplies and even selling the food supplied and the majority of customers not really needing it.

Finally, there has been some serious research into the issue and it shows just how desperately poor and, some quite literally starving, the vast majority of Food Bank clients are.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-40431701

Baggs Fri 15-Sept-17 16:53:00

I know a gransnetter (and I expect there are many more I don't know) who helps out at food banks. I find that helpfulness in people uplifting and it seems JRM finds charitableness (for whatever reason) uplifting too.

I do not find the need for food banks uplifting nor have I ever said anything that could be so interpreted. I don't think JRM has either.
He said some other things that are politically misleading but he didn't say that.

durhamjen Fri 15-Sept-17 16:54:04

I remember teaching that in study skills, Anya.

durhamjen Fri 15-Sept-17 16:55:52

Why are you determined to align yourself with Rees-Mogg, Baggs?
I doubt whether he has your analytical skills.

Baggs Fri 15-Sept-17 16:56:18

Language is important. I can understand a person's politics (and disagree with most of it) without misinterpreting or finding fault with every sentence s/he says.

Some gransnetters seems to have a problem with this, which I find baffling.

durhamjen Fri 15-Sept-17 16:57:27

Just about the whole of the reading population has misinterpreted it, then Baggs.
Why do you think that is?

Baggs Fri 15-Sept-17 16:58:31

There you go, DJ, misinterpreting again! I have not aligned myself with JRM. I've pointed out that saying he finds food banks unplifting is incorrect. That's all.

And I've added that the rest of what he said sticks in my craw as much as it does in anyone else's.

If that's "aligning" then the word aligning has a new meaning.

Baggs Fri 15-Sept-17 16:59:36

Because they want to. Because they don't like JRM and won't allow that he can say something they can agree with. EVER.

durhamjen Fri 15-Sept-17 17:01:46

"The real rise in foodbanks is because people know they are there and Labour deliberately wouldn't tell them when they were in power."

I'd like your interpretation of this, please, Baggs.

Baggs Fri 15-Sept-17 17:02:24

* Just about the whole of the reading population has misinterpreted it, then Baggs.
Why do you think that is?*

Not that I agree with this. I think "the whole of`" is an exaggeration.

If it's true that just about the whole of the reading population can't make the distinction I've made then I despair of education.

Baggs Fri 15-Sept-17 17:04:30

"The real rise in foodbanks is because people know they are there and Labour deliberately wouldn't tell them when they were in power."

My interpretation of that is that he's politicking not very convincingly.
(is that four times now, or five?)

<scratches head> perhas people don't know what politicking means...

Baggs Fri 15-Sept-17 17:07:05

Perhaps I don't know what politicking means and have misused it....

<heads dictionariwards>

Nope. I've used it correctly. Guess it must just be the misinterpretation skills people have.

Baggs Fri 15-Sept-17 17:10:49

I think some of you teachers of critical reading skills could do with a bit of practice yourselves.

Day6 Fri 15-Sept-17 17:11:56

Which is about desperate poverty in the 6th largest economy in the world.

I think it is wonderful that we have food banks for people in need, hungry families with little income.

I was from one of those families. I started life in a slum dwelling and we often ate bread and dripping because there was nothing else in the house. Mum used vegetable peelings to make soup.

No, not Dickensian but life for the poor in late 1950s/1960s post war Britain.

Abject poverty is not a new thing. It's always existed, but back then you went hungry and made do. We had to wait until Dad's pay-day to buy food and Mum managed as best she could on a miniscule budget. We were the generation that hid behind the sofa when the rent man called....like most of our neighbours. Families were very proud. I cannot remember anyone being on benefits. Fathers walked miles to find work and would do anything to bring money in.

That was only 50 years ago and I thank goodness that poor families get more help today.

Food banks are great things, stocked by donations and run by volunteers. I am so glad we are more enlightened and help is available for those needing food, for whatever reason.

What does annoy me is that people here are engaging in government-bashing as though recent governments (Labour and Conservative) are solely to blame for poverty. People live in poverty for many and various reasons.

We have a benefits system which works for most. No one is left destitute unless benefits are slow coming in or they don't qualify and most people eligible for food bank assistance have either defaulted in signing on or have had a recent monetary crisis, like a big bill, or gambling or drinking problems which mean no food is available for children. Low paid workers and those on flexible contracts probably struggle the most but they are eleigible for benefits and top ups/credits.

I doubt very much that working professionals like nurses and police officers are eligible for food bank help, (given they have to be referred for a voucher) unless they have for some reason not budgeted for living costs. Like anyone they may have had a crisis in their lives but on a day to day basis such workers are unlikely to qualify. They earn a darn sight more than most manual hourly paid workers.

I am glad that today we help poorer members of our society. It's right and proper that we do and the food bank is in fact a compassionate bit of progress, given not so long ago many many children did indeed go to bed hungry and in a dark house because there was no electricity. I was one of them.

A sense of proportion is needed. Food banks have become political currency...but poverty has always existed (it always will, even in the UK) and no government yet has eradicated it.

durhamjen Fri 15-Sept-17 17:25:05

A sense of proportion?
So it's a good thing that we have doubled the number of foodbanks in the last three years, that the number has gone up 20fold in the last six years?

We are the fifth or sixth richest nation in the world, and we should keep a sense of proportion about that?
I don't think so.
I am not proud of the number of foodbanks we have now.
I am not proud of the number of people who have died after being sanctioned by this government.

Foodbanks are not progress, they are a sign of a lack of compassion in this government.
Jacob Rees-Mogg is a millionaire. He is smug and patronising. Sorry, have to stop saying what I think of him now. Not words to be used in front of people who think charity is uplifting.

Is allowing public schools to keep their charitable status despite not helping other schools like they are supposed to be doing also uplifting?
I don't imagine Rees-Mogg has told us what he thinks of that particular sort of charity.

durhamjen Fri 15-Sept-17 17:44:05

Interesting that the article in the Telegraph about the same broadcast didn't even mention foodbanks.

Day6 Fri 15-Sept-17 17:50:29

DJ I am not proud of the number of foodbanks we have now.

World wide phenomenen apparently. Most enlightened countries have a food bank system. India does, and the USA too...

No one is proud that they exist, but we do have to remember that life without them was more difficult for people in crisis and without funds to buy food.

What do you suggest that (any) government does to eradicate them or make them unnecessary?

There isn't an answer, given we have a welfare state. It often doesn't work very well, but it's there and there are many and various reasons for people not having enough money to buy food.

Day6 Fri 15-Sept-17 17:56:42

fullfact.org/economy/why-are-more-people-using-food-banks/

trisher Fri 15-Sept-17 18:16:53

First time I have heard India described as "enlightened"-from the UN's report on India and democracy
In sum, not only do a quarter of the world’s poor live in India, the number of illiterates, school drop-outs, people suffering from communicable diseases, and infant, child and maternal deaths, amount to a staggering proportion of respective world totals. More troublesome is the fact that country has high numbers of hungry people despite the existence of huge buffer stocks of food. And India’s record in providing services-sanitation, clean drinking water, electricity, housing, and jobs-is even bleaker. It is clear that political democracy has simply not been accompanied by the institutionalisation of economic and social democracy.
You can read the whole thing here www.unrisd.org/80256B3C005BCCF9/(httpAuxPages)/AFA456B71A0BD335C1256FFF0052FE69/$file/dchandho2.pdf
If that is the standard we are applying Day6 we have sunk to an all time low.
As for what we could do.
1. Stop zero hours contracts and pay a living wage
2. Stop demonising people who claim benefits and ensure easy and quick access to them.
3. Renationalise fuel supplies and ensure the poorest and weakest are properly protected from fuel poverty
4. Reintroduce emergency payments for people who are suddenly faced with an unexpected bill on benefits or fixed incomes.
5.Introduce a system of fair rents to curb spiralling costs.
6. Provide an adequate debt counselling service through CABs
Well that's for a start anyway

durhamjen Fri 15-Sept-17 18:21:06

Stop pretending we have near full employment and give people proper jobs.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/15/healthy-unemployment-figures-mask-hardship-fear-unregulated-jobs-market-irene

2 in every 5 people are in insecure work.

durhamjen Fri 15-Sept-17 18:22:04

A good list, trisher.

Stop having the richest people in the country in charge of our government.

Poppyred Fri 15-Sept-17 18:30:07

Nurses can double their pay by working enhanced hours. If they start work at 4pm or later or work weekend shifts also basic pay goes up every year for at least 5years.

trisher Fri 15-Sept-17 18:35:48

Oh and Day6 the reason the welfare state doesn't work very well is because we have a government who don't want it to.

durhamjen Fri 15-Sept-17 18:37:50

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/15/jacob-rees-mogg-food-banks-tory

trisher Fri 15-Sept-17 18:38:26

Poppyred how do you suppose a single mother who is a nurse manages that? She would be paying out more than she earned in childcare. Even after school and holiday care will make a huge hole in her finances. without unsocial hours.

durhamjen Fri 15-Sept-17 18:41:48

My mother used to do that, Poppyred.
At the age of twelve I used to put my eight and two year old sisters to bed when my busdriver dad was on late shifts, or sometimes have to get them up in the morning.
I preferred it when my mother was working 6-10 every night, rather than 8-8.

Do you really think it's okay to go back to that?