Cliff Edge anyone?

theconversation.com/brexit-lessons-from-britains-19th-century-push-for-free-trade-79400

Any historians on this thread?

“Leaving the EU gives us a once in a lifetime opportunity to reform how we manage agriculture and fisheries, how we care for our land, our rivers and our seas, how we recast our ambition for our country’s environment, and the planet,” Gove will say, according to extracts of his speech emailed by his office. “Outside the European Union there is scope for Britain not just to set the very highest standards in marine conservation, but to be a global leader in environmental policy across the board.”

The speech by Gove, who was one of the most prominent campaigners for a “Leave” vote in last year’s referendum on EU membership, aims to reassure the British public that the government won’t relax environmental standards after Brexit. Environmentalists as well as the opposition Labour and Liberal Democrat parties have said that environmental protections that result from EU laws must be preserved once the country has left the bloc. "

Do you think that the environmentalist Gove has any idea what he is talking about?
I don't think we have met any of our environmental obligations over the past few years. Why should we do so after we have left the EU?

This is a brilliant letter from the other EU countries about the election and Brexit.

ukandeu.ac.uk/a-letter-to-theresa-may/

I wonder if they'll get a reply.

Same as us Mamie - our neighbour's are lovely although we don't have many near us - we do of course know some in the nearby towns. The quality of life is good - diaries ay not needing to rush out to work daily helps there!

As Mamie says if you get yourself into the system before the dreaded axe falls you will at least get the same deal as the rest of us - and as long as you are not thinking that if it doesn't work out you will move to Germany, Italy or some other EU country then you should be fine. If UK does modify its policy towards the EU citizens in UK then that position should not be there either.

We have found the health service here to be great - I am sure that I would not still have DH here with me were it not for our local hospital.

I suspect that if you move before Brexit and get straight into the system, then you would be ok. You have to demonstrate that you can live in a "regular fashion" with sufficient income (lower than the UK requirements), health cover (currently via S1 for UK pensioners) and register to pay tax here.
With hindsight we should probably have chosen somewhere on the edge of a small town, but all our neighbours seem to manage in their nineties.
Language is important though.
We have had nothing but kindness and sympathy from our French friends since Brexit.

mamie I envy you it sounds divine. We have been talking about moving to France this week, but only in a superficial way. We are wondering how it would affect anyone now with Brexit? Shame as it does restrict opportunities. I know of so many people who perhaps live here and commute to France.

We find it is easier to live cheaply here too. We have a very big vegetable and fruit garden and a house with plenty of room for people to stay. We go shopping when we need to, but the only time I get tempted into buying "stuff" is in the UK (and maybe the Lidl Aisle of Shame ?).
We enjoy country life, good food and wine, books and films, but never eat out or go out for entertainment. We can holiday cheaply in beautiful France. We have a wonderful health service, good roads and infrastructure and a lovely community around us. We are close enough to the UK to go as a foot passenger for £40 return.
Brexit is a worry, money is a concern, but there are lots of compensations.

There isn't really a banking brexodus though, at least not yet.

www.cityam.com/267169/banking-brexodus-one-year-banks-have-said-brexit-and-job

The head of the BBA says: “I know the banks are very keen not to relocate jobs, not least because their staff are keen not to move. They’ve got homes here, they’ve got kids in school and so forth.”

ww I guess it is the drought in Spain has made a difference to fresh produce?

They have had some incredible temperatures haven't they? Last year in Córdoba we experienced nearly 40c and that was more than comfortable. After visiting the mezquita we simply found a shaded courtyard restaurant and sat by the fountain and whiled away the time over lunch, it was too hot to do much especially DH and his heart.

Mind you we've had 48c in Sicily!!!!

We are managing but I do the transferring of money myself as and when needed rather than the bank doing it automatically each month at whatever rate they decide.

We still mainly run on our UK bank account - credit card with no charges for foreign transactions - and only need transferred money for bill paying etc. Works quite well.

Things here have gone up though - I notice the price of fruit and veg - melons are twice the price they were last year and fruit such as peaches are 50 centimes more a kilo.

At least with luck Barnier will push May into some sort of humane position with regard immigrants, and the Brits in Europe. I envy your eventual freedom of movement, my nephews girl friend was hoping to take advantage of it

.... our own

Yes it is very worrying ww. We lost 15% of our income because of the xchange rate in the year following the vote and had to cancel the visit to see our son and grandchildren in Spain. It is now going down even further. We have all our finances on spreadsheets and can model the impact on outgoings and expenditure. We are holding are own, but there will be lots who aren't. ?

Banking relocation is continuing apace, with Frankfort looking to fill the top spot. Several thousand jobs are to relocate to Frankfort.

A banking Brexidus is gathering speed.

Bank of America is planning to move some of its activities to Ireland.

No surprises there.

mamie and grans in Europe how is this downward trend affecting you? It must be incredibly worrying!?

So borrowing has jumped by nearly 50% in June. DUP anyone?

First quarter showed a dramatic slow down in the economy, although this is not yet showing in the tax receipts, but of course this delay is normal for various factors.

Borrowing is set to rise from £46bn to £58 bn this year.

This government is reckless with our economy and dreadful at economic management.

We know from experience that the Tories always play fast and lose with the economy and this rabble are almost equalling Thatchers record of mismanagement.

Labour we know is always much more conservative when managing the economy, and prudence is the watch word.

Yes, it's remarkable how those companies are ripping customers off, although that was just one airport. Why would anyone use them when the spot rate is 1.15?

Sterling has dropped to 88 cents at airports.

Roses the EU team wanted to give Brits in the EU continued freedom of movement. It is the UK side who are holding things up by refusing to agree that EU citizens in the UK could leave (for work or family reasons) and then go back again.
The EU offer for us is very good. I don't suppose the UK will be very interested in our continued freedom of movement as by leaving the single market, UK citizens in the UK will no longer have it at all.

ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/UKIN-Cost-of-No-Deal-A4-v3.pdf

What a ridiculous thing to wish for. Hope we manage to avoid this cliff edge.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/easiest-free-trade-deal-ever

That's what we have already. Barnier says we are looking for something different to what we already have.
Fancy giving up the easiest free trade deal ever.

I love sweet potato curry. Good with chick peas or lentils in it.

Are you going to make beer whitewave?
Or is it ornamental?

enthusiastic hop - sounds a bit too energetic - the kind of thing DGD2 would do and wonder why I am not joining in.

Well, I've cleaned out my utility room [am working through the whole house]. Found two irons, neither of which have been used for at least a year . However, I do sometimes have a desire for a linen cupboard full of freshly pressed items [handkerchiefs included].My cupboards and drawers are immaculate as I feel there is no point in things looking good on the outside [my house is a tip!!] if they're hiding a load of unseen mess. I wonder if that reflects on my thinking about other matters?

ww I've finished mine onto the slow cooker sweet potato curry now
Then garden to cut back the enthusiastic hop