Cliff Edge anyone?

Ah right - issue of interaction between EU charter of fundamental rights and European convention in HR and how loss of former could impact on latter - do you mean Boris et al hadn't thought about this before the referendum?

Schona Jolly yesterday's paper 14/7

OK hang on

Can you give me the date please and I'll read it online

Found it, I read it in an article in the Guardian, it is by a Humans right lawyer. If you can't find it I will quote from it for you if you want

But I thought we had the Human Rights Act?

Davis has confirmed that the charter of Human rights won't become UK Law.

In my view this must be challenged immediately.

I wonder how much connection there is between the looming divorce bill and the pay cap for public sector workers. Are the going to be made to pay for Brexit?

Soubry says that there is a growing consensus for a Norwegian safe harbour

Watching Farage the fraudster a couple of days ago.

He seems very close to inciting violence it seems to me. Still perhaps if we give him enough rope!

Exactly!

I can't get my head round the argument that is 'we don't really know what we've voted for but we're sure it will turn out ok in the end'....'we voted to take back control but we don't actually have any control over what we've voted for but we're not worried about it so neither should the remainers'.

We are mostly remain on here. For some reason the Brexit people have gone quiet.

I wish they would come on and give some sort of reassurance that in their view all is going swimmingly.

But the remainers are in fact getting more and more concerned as time goes on

Too much prosecco if I'm honest , but thank you Tegan - I tentatively came online this morning expecting to meet with a barrage of anti-remain comments ...

Well, if there were no typos you'd have to call yourself Perfect 27 . Agree with everything you've said, by the way....

(Sorry for the typos!)

Jumping in here as I haven't got the time or energy to reads through 18 pages of posts.

I feel the Brexit campaign was fought on lies and misinformation - and perhaps a lot of misinformation too. As the dust settles and all the ramifications for leaving become clearer, the brexiteers that I know are now saying
'' If only I has known all the facts.'' The remainers are still being told ''We voted for this so put up and shut up.''

I find it hard to understand, now that more facts about the inpact of Brexit are emerging and NONE add up to a better deal for us than we have already got in terms of jobs and economy ... I really do fail to understand why at the very least people are so reluctant to countenance a vote on the final exit deal before it is adopted.

Sorry if this repeating what others have already said, but it totally bemuses me as to why this is so contentious when time and again more politicians and Joe public alike seem to be saying we have probably made a very bad mistake.

But we did know it would be like this; it's just that it was labelled 'project fear' and ridiculed ....

I also heard Mathew Parris on World at one. I was shocked to hear of the state the government is in and surprised no one knew it would be like this.
The EU parliament has hundreds of internationally trained lawyers and translators and the Uk will get the bill for their services and all Boris can say is 'why should we have to pay to leave?' What world is he living in?

Talking to my daughter today who works for a large pharmaceutical company, and she was telling me about how Brexit is going to affect the operation of the company.

There are numerous issues all difficult and it is very likely that parts of the company will relocate - which for the company is no big deal as it has a presence in most of the EU. The problem for the UK of course will be loss of jobs and revenue. The Brexit officer for the company told the meeting that they had received zilch information from the government, and in his opinion the government new nothing anyway.

Can anyone tell me why the E27 foot the bill for all the extra customs facilities that will be needed when we leave? I suspect that they will insist that we foot the vast majority if the bill.

I see we have conceded that we will have to pay a divorce bill.

What a fool Johnson is.

Matthew Parris former conservative mp said on world at one yesterday that Brexit is dying and the government is in terrible trouble. He went on to add that the Barmy Brexit Brigade - the hard right Brexiters have May sort of captive in Downing Street and don't want to change her as there is no one else whom they can manipulate to do want they want.
As each month goes pass it gets worse and worse said Parris.

4 government papers were launched yesterday, including European Union (withdrawal) bill.

So the HMS Brexit has set sail with all the outward appearance of a great ship of state, but with little sign of life below decks.

Anyone looking for the ship's course or likely destination will be disappointed. We don't even know the exit day, it has been left blank - rather like the Barmy Brexit Brigades brains.

With thanks to Dan Roberts.

Here's a twitter thread to amuse the Remainers:

twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/885586131017924612