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Cliff Edge anyone?

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whitewave Fri 30-Jun-17 07:31:33

This term gets bandied about in relation to Brexit without any of the consequences attached to it.

I have just done some research/ reading and thought it was time we all had the opportunity to discuss what exactly a "cliff edge Brexit" means and whether it can be taken seriously as a "no deal is better than a bad deal" deal.

So talks have failed and our government decides to go it alone.

It is day one of Britains great adventure

We have no trade deals with the EU or the rest of the world.
The economy goes into recession
We now have in front of us several years of negotiating trade deals both with our potentially biggest customer -Europe and the rest of the World.
Countries like Argentina and others that bear a grudge will block any dealings with the WTO.
Getting exports to Europe will become an absolute nightmare, as even if we have successfully arranged our borders for a post Brexit scenario, Europe has only just begun to get their border controls in place for the flow of goods to and from the UK.
The SE becomes a huge lorry park as good stand waiting to be processed. There is a potential for shortages to occur- particularly in relation to food, as there is only one port in Europe that is set up to deal with this commodity, and that is not yet functioning.
Issues like "country of origin" causes complete chaos for business and everything becomes a bureaucratic nightmare.
Flights are delayed/cancelled until the UK can do its own deals with regard to flight rights.
And of course as we have read only recently, nuclear material will dry up, threatening cancer and other treatment.

References are available on request????

durhamjen Thu 27-Jul-17 16:26:16

inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/theresa-mays-immigration-policy-based-flawed-foreign-student-data/

All Mayhem's communications people have abandoned her now. What will she do?
Rely on Boris or Fox?

durhamjen Thu 27-Jul-17 16:27:13

Do you think she needs to come back from holiday to sort this out?

whitewave Thu 27-Jul-17 16:29:13

Blimey. I wonder how soon before someone says " let's rethink this Brexit thing"?

Everything is beginning to come out of the woodwork it would seem.

Like the idea that there will be a whole new immigration policy up and running by Mch 19.

durhamjen Thu 27-Jul-17 16:33:14

inews.co.uk/essentials/news/uk/cities-towns-south-england-will-hit-hardest-brexit/

I hope they are ready for it.

varian Thu 27-Jul-17 20:20:34

It is ridiculoue to include foreign students in the immigration figures. By all means clamp down on phony students attending phony colleges, but students doing degrees or pistgraduate qualifications in British Universities are not immigrants. They not only contribute financially to our economy, their British education will incline them to forging links to the UK when they return home.

varian Thu 27-Jul-17 20:21:48

Postgraduate, not all of them are pist!

Jalima1108 Thu 27-Jul-17 20:22:27

varian grin

probably not as much as our home-grown ones anyway!

durhamjen Thu 27-Jul-17 20:24:40

Just been reading that when parliament returns there will probably be a choice between Rees-Mogg and Gove to take over from May.
Can it get any worse?

varian Thu 27-Jul-17 20:28:13

Fox? Leadsome? Boris? -we're spoilt for choice.

durhamjen Thu 27-Jul-17 20:29:49

Being so cheerful keeps us going, varian.

durhamjen Thu 27-Jul-17 23:23:07

politicalscrapbook.net/2017/07/all-aboard-the-rothschild-railway-chris-grayling-met-foreign-bankers-about-yet-more-privatisation/

Isn't it good to get back control?

durhamjen Thu 27-Jul-17 23:40:39

politicalscrapbook.net/2017/07/brandon-lewis-contradicts-amber-rudd-spin-over-immigration-and-reveals-real-tory-plan-for-post-brexit-cliff-edge/

Brilliant, this.

"A cockup and a conspiracy..."

Mamie Fri 28-Jul-17 06:57:09

Richard North (leaver) on blistering form again today.
www.eureferendum.com/default.aspx
I thought this bit especially interesting;
"Something that simply has not percolated the public discourse here is that the EU-27 are not taking a hard line for the sake of it. This is not malevolence towards the UK. The Union is a community of law, underpinned by the Treaties and safeguarded by the European Court of Justice. The notion that the EU could somehow concede on fundamental aspects of the treaties, Zuleeg tells us, is not only unlikely but would be struck down by the Court when challenged.".
Food for thought who seem to think the EU is motivated by spite or similar.

whitewave Fri 28-Jul-17 09:24:30

Worthing will be the second most badly affected Town in the UK after Aberdeen if there is a hard Brexit. The GSK factor, will as we predicted last week affect the town badly. Hundreds of jobs will/are at risk. Many already going.

durhamjen Fri 28-Jul-17 09:41:23

"The U.K.'s divorce from the EU is proving a bittersweet affair for Poland's finance minister.

On the one hand, the eastern European nation will lose a political ally: Poland and Britain are closely aligned on issues from deregulation to concern over yielding powers to Brussels, according to Mateusz Morawiecki, who's also deputy prime minister. But on the other, Brexit may ease a labor shortage in Poland that he calls a "major headache."

"I like that Brexit is pushing some Polish citizens out of the U.K., because it's bringing more qualified workers, more experienced workers" home, Morawiecki said Wednesday in an interview in London.

Much of Europe's ex-communist east is suffering from a dearth of workers as citizens seek higher wages in other parts of the continent. At almost one million, Poles are the U.K.'s biggest immigrant group. Unemployment in Poland is at a record-low 5 percent."

Poland wants its workers back.

durhamjen Fri 28-Jul-17 10:02:32

"Theresa May is facing a new setback in Brexit negotiations after the government in Dublin said that her proposal for the Irish border was unworkable.

Leo Varadkar, the Republic of Ireland’s prime minister, is pushing for the Irish Sea to become the post-Brexit border with the UK after warning Mrs May that her plan was doomed and would jeopardise the peace process.

British officials were said to be taken aback by Dublin’s change in tone, expressed at a European Union summit in Brussels last week. The DUP said this morning that it would be strongly opposed to the “absurd and unconstitutional” proposals."

Not just a cliff edge; a whole Irish Sea between what the UK and EU want.

whitewave Fri 28-Jul-17 10:05:20

Only a year to go before the negotiations are to be completed before the stage where it is all to be looked at by the E27 grin what an absolute joke

whitewave Fri 28-Jul-17 10:15:05

Councils are asking for billions of pounds of lost funding once we Brexit. Projects planned by councils all over the UK and expected to get EU funding will lose out if the government does not cough up the funding. This also includes money for flood defence for the environment agency who regularly receives funding from the EU worth millions of pounds.

durhamjen Fri 28-Jul-17 10:23:59

www.biospace.com/News/hundreds-of-jobs-to-go-as-glaxosmithkline-shutters/463530

GSK job losses because of getting rid of Maxinutrition.
I can't recall that being mentioned in last week's headlines; it was all about Horlicks. Just shows the obsessions within the MSM.

durhamjen Fri 28-Jul-17 13:05:47

Reading this nearly makes me feel sorry for Fox.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2017/07/27/brexit-briefing-liam-fox-chicken_n_17602840.html?utm_hp_ref=uk-politics&ir=UK+Politics

durhamjen Fri 28-Jul-17 14:40:48

instituteforgovernment.cmail19.com/t/r-l-jlwhydk-hyijirukdj-u/

For those who haven't read enough about chickens.

whitewave Fri 28-Jul-17 16:38:49

Mike Jagger has released a single about the state we are in with Brexit and Trump. I think it's called "gotta get a grip" and "England Lost"

Ana Fri 28-Jul-17 16:41:20

Oh, wonderful, Mick Jagger - that well-known tax-dodger!

whitewave Fri 28-Jul-17 17:35:34

The new Irish Taoiseach has more or less told the UK to get its act together and come up with an alternative plan to the "Irish sea" idea. The DUP needless to say had apoplexy over what seemed a sensible idea.

Jalima1108 Fri 28-Jul-17 20:05:30

Ha ha, Mick Jagger Tax Dodger of Los Angeles
Telling the rest of us what we should be doing or not doing.
'Married' Jerry then, after four? children, told her the marriage was not legal.
Hope he pays tax on the proceeds from his latest single.
Don't hold your breath.

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